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Study Topics / Re: God does not command us to be pacafists and yet:

« Last post by cizz on February 16, 2012, 08:22:54 am »

Oh wow! We do have the other metaphor of "dieing in Christ"

Which would play out as --"regardless of what flesh says"--anyone that dies in Christ and the Lord will ultimately be Him in the flesh which is male...where did all the females go? Where did the church go? What does it say, "blessed are those invited to the wedding supper" the guests not the ones married?

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

They both are associated with the saints, one is the patience of the saints and the other is the righteousness of saints...Wait! One of saints and one says of "the" saints..?

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints .

Okay! Chapter 19 is talking about "for the Lord God omnipotent (in all) reigneth." and the white horse and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (My previous post of being married as a stance to any situation) Thus judgement and making war...debates and argument's, which some what could be said to be trying to "promote", which can be taking a step more into trying to "buy or sell" a 'cause' or 'belief' < which is usually done from the stand point of believing one self to be "right" and know "right"...righteousness..

And chapter 14 is talking about "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come:" (already here, and who exactly is being judged?)

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Losing all gender now! And these follow the Lamb no longer is He considered the Lord...giving up or passing on the authority here..

And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Notice they are not on the throne, sharing the throne or even sitting any where on that throne..

And chapter 14 talks a lot about taking that mark of the beast to buy and sell..

and no rest.. <it is not talking about "the saints" in this..

Oh! no wonder the females church is gone...we have a white cloud! and upon the cloud [one] sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Hum, chapter 19 is the treader and chapter 14 is the sickle...
And the winepress was trodden without the city

Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.

"for the time is at hand"...not far off into some future time, right now, two metaphors that work for everything! But what sticks with me is that dieing with the Lord, not Christ (dieing to wanting that throne position to Lord over everything) it says,

Rev 14:6 ? And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

What is a pure language spoken in all nations and kindred and tongues and people...We can find God every where in all things, in all beliefs, in all people...To have a GOOD understanding, to look for beauty (God) always in everything, thus we are at the beginning where God looked and judged with saying "It is good"...

Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever.

Study Topics / Re: God does not command us to be pacafists and yet:

« Last post by cizz on February 16, 2012, 06:30:52 am »

It might help me if I was sure what is meant by "activist" ...

Activism consists of intentional efforts to promote, impede or direct social, political, economic, or environmental change.

I still am not sure!

We are told to spread the gospel and yet are told to let be at the same time? Wait!

It did just occur to me, the genders...Dang! I forgot about that one!
Okay this is probably backwards and only understandable to me but I will share it anyway. Why do we have only "male/s" in God and the Lord? --"Father and Son" -- no females? The Lord is the bridegroom (male), the church is the wife (female). females are not allowed to speak and teach in the church...regardless of what flesh says.. female (wives) are to learn from their husband. I think Timothy had a sense of humor indeed with his egging on of the male flesh to by all means dive deep into that pit and learn your lesson well!

The Lord does subdue and bring all things under HIM! so all else is female to HIM!

So now how does a husband will leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife fit into that picture? Females are to remain silent when it comes to teaching and preaching, yet it can be used to work for all things and most situations, once joined to HIM the spirit in the flesh can be either male or female..so now I'm back to the same question

activists or not?

shame on you brother for asking such a complicated question in such few words!!

Personally I will keep that circle going with each and every situation I come to and just trust He is guiding me in all things I do..or else I would drive myself crazier!

Study Topics / Re: God does not command us to be pacafists and yet:

« Last post by cizz on February 16, 2012, 05:42:19 am »

Quote from: greggk on February 16, 2012, 01:15:04 am

Does God command us to be activists?

That is a really good question, one that I go back and forth with in my mind trying to argue it from both sides?

Study Topics / Re: God does not command us to be pacafists and yet:

« Last post by greggk on February 16, 2012, 01:15:04 am »

Does God command us to be activists?

Health, Healing and Recovery / Re: A great tool -journaling

« Last post by cizz on February 13, 2012, 07:50:37 pm »

http://allaboutlifecoaching.com/topics-to-write-about-journaling-for-growth

The ONB "Blog" / Answer "the door"

« Last post by cizz on February 12, 2012, 06:56:29 pm »

http://overcomerstonewbeginnings.blogspot.com/

In a world and society that is built upon fear, I have been drenched in beliefs and teachings that have left me void and filled with chaos, running "to and fro" searching for knowledge and seeking the chosen special one or ones that could help me find the door to exit this hell. Having grown up in the bible belt, Christianity had the major influences in my search for relief but what I was met with was more chaos and teachings telling me to react and add to the fears I was drowning in. Sure, some of it did throw me a life preserver I could cling to but swimming was my goal.

So accepting what was given to me to work with while I clinged to the presever, sandwiched between the fear filled world and the fear filled guidance of Christianity, I had the bible, God and Satan, and a bunch of fearful woe is me must do's and must not do's. After collapsing under that pressure my opinion and truth came pouring out, "God you gave me a crap load of .."dysfunctional" (aahum!) that does not work and does not help!"

To make a long story short, that slip of "truth" opened a door within me and has since taught and shown me that we are each "the door" that can open to the "the way" of light shining in darkness, giving each of us our own knowledge and skills of understanding how to use whatever it is that has been given to us, to take the dysfunctional and turn it into functional, rather than being stuck and helpless in choas.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:

Jesus is not going to knock on someone else's door to speak with you, so get a grip and stop running around trying to find others and their doors to receive Him through, you are your own and only door!

I have new goals besides just swimming now, some want ancient signs and wonders as proof of God with "part these waters so I can walk on dry ground!" but I will say "nay" give me understanding and skills to walk on water and on dry ground!

The ONB "Blog" / Finding God After Leaving Religion

« Last post by cizz on February 12, 2012, 05:23:19 am »

Steve McSwain wrote in his article "Finding God After Leaving Religion",

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-mcswain/finding-god-after-leaving_b_651148.html)

"If you went to church looking for relief from the stress and burdens of living, you might have found more of the same, only dressed as beliefs and dogmas, rules and expectations Then, there's the debating, disagreement, and division that goes on between churches, as well as between people in the same church. I call it the "We're right! You're Wrong!" syndrome: each group insisting that their beliefs are right, which by implication means that everyone else's beliefs are wrong. "We're in; you're out!" "We're the chosen ones; you're not!" Maybe those who came looking for some sanity in life are leaving the church to preserve what little remains."

I spent hours trying to decide what words would best describe "Overcomers to New Beginnings", a title that was chosen by a small group of people a few years ago, we never defined or really considered the words that we chose for this small group other than it described our departure and split from a larger group, religious people trying not to be religious. Like a drop that hits the surface of the water the waves have rippled and moved out into the distance. We unknowingly described our paths with that title, "moving onward" for neither group is together today. But of course not the idea and understanding was built upon what Mr. McSwain shared in his article, "We're in; you're out!"

Having provided the space for this group (private on-line forum) I'm left with the title and the space, I can not delete the forum but I can shut it down...or I can give it new meanings with new beginnings. When I stopped trying so hard to figure out the new meaning to place on that title "Finding God after Religion" poured out the ends of my typing fingers into the google search engine! I had never heard of Steve McSwain before "Mr. All Knowing Google" pointed the way to his article.

"Among the many realizations to which I awakened was this: "You don't have to go to church to know God." For reasons too obvious to mention, this isn't the kind of message the church, or any religion, wants spread around. But it's true nonetheless. There is no religion, not even the Christian religion, holding the title deed to God. God's grace is not limited to a select few. The moment any religion believes it is, you can be sure that religion knows nothing of God."

When I consider Mr. McSwain's statement above I would be hard pressed to not point out that when we say "religion" we are talking about people, individual people and I suspect all people know God rather they realize it or not, even the ones that build upon "We're in; you're out!" For I'm sure Mr. McSwain didn't pay close attention to his words in this paragraph and see how he basically implied what he had already stated to be the down fall of so many religious organizations, by saying "some could know nothing of God" some are "wrong"....I would say these people simply do not realize nor do they pay attention to the "knowing" that we all have God and the reason for this distraction is because there are so many "searching" for what they think and believe they do not have. If we believe we do not have it that must be so for others also..what happens when we believe and know we have God...it must be so for others too.

Even the title to this article, "Finding God After Religion," seems to imply that there's something you must "do" to know God. But the real truth is this: there is nothing you need to do to know God. You know God already.

In all my years of reading, studying, discussing, contemplating and listening to others about what the bible says and teaches, very few have ever wanted to talk about an end result, a goal to the teachings..

1Cr 15:28 "That God may be all in all"

Steve McSwain's article was a breath of fresh air and all I had to do was stand still and "know" to feel the wind stirring in it.

To hear more from Steve McSwain:

http://www.stevemcswain.com/publications/the-enoch-factor/

The ONB "Blog" / The "ONB" blog

« Last post by cizz on February 12, 2012, 05:15:47 am »

I have set up a blog for our forum at http://overcomerstonewbeginnings.blogspot.com/

If anyone would like to have their own article posted to the blog please start a thread and post your article in full, I will transfer it over to the blog, provide links for any pictures and quoted sources please!
All blog posts do auto feed out to our twitter page at https://twitter.com/#!/AWE_verwhelming