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Re: Salvation/ creating images of idols from fear
« on: July 09, 2010, 02:17:47 am »
Interesting to note this verse:

Gen 11:9  Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Dan 12:7     And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.

Why does the Lord scatter the power of the holy people? scatter the power  <and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Because they have one language and speech  < one that pollutes the bread upon His altar and makes His name and His table 'worthless'

I did not understand this until my own son debated the 'worthlessness' of God with me! My son says gods and religion are for ignorant, superstitious and cowardly people that are too afraid to face the fact that we live and die and are subject to whatever is between those two. You can image my reaction and emotions to this  huh :'( cz048

I can't make my son believe anything, the most I can do is try to listen to him explain his reasoning for such understanding. That was hard and a lesson in its self, trying to pay attention and listen while the only thing running through my mind is how I'm a failure at being a good mother  :'(  I couldn't even teach my child the one thing he needed the most, to have faith and hope in God.  Instead of me teaching him, he taught me and I have since learned that it is not what I make my child do that trains him, it is the example and my own way of living that trains him. So we have learned to listen to each other so we can learn from each other...

These are my sons words at that time, if there is a God, He is a pitiful excuse for one (Note: my son has heard of the Christian God all his life, so this is the God he is referring to)  I ask him, how so? He brings up satan at this point and says well from what I'm hearing satan and God are at war and God is losing big time, then he goes into to telling me I would be better off, if I just had to have a God, to choose the most powerful one  huh :sad0147: huh

Being mom! I tried to stay calm as I asked the all famous question "WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT!"  :protest:   :rtfm:
 
His answer, every person I have ever heard preach and teach about God, like grandma (from both sides of the family, dad, Sunday school teachers, and he just kept naming...  cz047  I asked him if these people actually said that satan was more powerful than God? He said, that it was the only conclusion anyone with any sense could draw from what they teach and preach.  When I tried to explain that this was not so and started to tell him who and what I had learned satan was, that God actually created satan as a...that is as far as I made it with explaining, he cut me off with laughing himself to tears and when I demanded to know what was so funny, he said I had just made God sound even more pathetic, by saying that God created a Frankenstein that he could not control...

I was clueless as to what to say at this point and God wasn't giving me no help or hint what to say or do. So I just listened. It broke my heart listening and I realized that it would not have mattered what I tried to make my children believe, there is a world out there that is sending a polluted message out on every corner that says we have and are created by a 'wimp of a God' I would rather my son continue to believe that gods and devils are nothing more than myths then to have him bow a need to this 'image' that so many are carelessly and absent minded-ly creating.   

It hasn't been too long ago that my son was moved to come back and ask me, why I study and read the bible, he pointed out that I was not like other Christians. I never speak of what is written in the book unless I am asked and even then I will not push myself to teach or preach or try to get someone else to believe anything. As he says I never say 'you should or shouldn't' and he laughs that when others are spreading the word, the 'direr message' as he calls it, of you have to! and when they look to me to agree I say nothing and they never seem to notice, just keep right on talking and spouting.

I explained to him that I do believe and have faith and hope in God. I told him if he wanted me to discuss this with him, then he would have to curb his laughing and interruptions until I was finished. When I finished telling him of the God that I believed and trusted in, he sat quietly saying wow, wow and then he said that is not the same God that so many others are talking about and he asked me if what I told him was true...My answer to him, read the bible and decide for yourself.