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Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« on: July 20, 2010, 07:53:37 pm »
Jeremiah 27:6-7 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.


  • Our Father told us through Paul that the events of the past happened as an example to us of what will again happen in the last days [1 Cor.10:11]. That lesson is also in....


    • Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.


    Knowing that...we see in Jeremiah that the Lord told His children they would go into captivity to the king of Babylon (he is a type for Satan). So...we too are in captivity. This is the one world order, the first beast of [Revelation 13]. To help the king/Satan, God gave him "beasts of the field," and they do help through control. The field is the world [Mt.13:38] and all the world is Babylon. The beasts of this world are those in control of Politics, Finance, Education and Religion. The four dynasties with which Satan controls us. We are now captive to this one world beast, which is the king of Babylon and his beasts and they are bringing about the one world order when "all nations shall serve him" as written in Jeremiah. This has already been accomplished but we aren't yet aware the transformation has taken place. We await a future event as they pull the wool over our eyes, letting us believe we are in control of our nation.


    Remember, as alarming as this sounds....we are to go into captivity until, "the very time of his land come." When is that? When this age ends. God is very stern in instructing us on this....


27:8-9 And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand. Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, 'Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:


27:10-11 For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land: and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish. But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.' ' "


  • So, we're not going to be flown away...leaving this terrible world behind as the prophesying liars tell us. No, we're here toiling away but...our eyes are being opened to those in control, those keeping our necks in a yoke. It is all part of His great plan:


27:14-16 Therefore hearken not unto the words of the prophets that speak unto you, saying, 'Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: for they prophesy a lie unto you. For I have not sent them, saith the Lord, 'yet they prophesy a lie in My name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.' " Also I spake to the priests and to all this People, saying, "Thus saith the LORD; 'Hearken not to the words of your prophets that prophesy unto you, 'Behold the vessels of the LORD's house shall now shortly be brought again from Babylon: for they prophesy a lie unto you.


  • The vessels of the Lord's house are His children, His children in Babylon, in the world. The lying prophets, lying in His name, tell us....you won't see the tribulation...you'll be whisked away. They prophesy a lie unto us! Do we believe them?


    • 11 Thessalonians 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


27:18-20 But if they be prophets, and if the word of the LORD be with them, let them now make intercession to the LORD of hosts, that the vessels which are left in the house of the LORD, and in the house of the king of Judah, and at Jerualem, go not to Babylon.' For thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the pillars, and concerning the sea, and considering the bases, and concerning the residue of the vessels that remain in this city. Which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took not, when he carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah from Jerusalem to Babylon, and all the nobles of Judah and Jerusalem;


27:21-22 Yea, thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning the vessels that remain in the house of the LORD, and in the house of the king of Judah and of Jerusalem; They shall be carried to Babylon and there shall they be until the day that I visit them, saith the LORD: then will I bring them up, and restore them to this place.' "


  • The plot thickens...who are these vessels He speaks of? Why are His children ordered to go into captivity and yet some of the vessels remain???

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 12:01:45 am »
Okay Judi, sister!  :clap:   I'm reading this one over and over  cz006  I have this feeling that I'm gona have a 'AHA!' moment  grin   :clap: HURRY BACK! and continue with this one!

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 02:46:53 pm »
Praise the Lord for the scriptures you posted and the way you brought them together in presenting a truth about captivity that we ourselves are subjected to...lots of love to  you for this...lol lol lol   Bighug

Sister we have been given the instruction to not fight against the captivity coming on us and we are in bondage under the Beast in Power.   One of the things you mentioned is the beast of the field are political and you are right on the truth in this.  I am going to have to re read this a few more times myself because it so well presented  and I know the Lord is directing you in this... :party0006:

This forum is "HOT" with the spirit of God on it in all the posters here.... to206 cz025 :dance: 

We haven't a lot of time left here, and I get excited on one hand because the reality  of the End brings  all this freedom from death from us all and  eternal life for eternity.  The 2nd death will have no hold on us in the Millennium or ever again says Jesus..Blessed are those who have part in the 1st resurrection....Rev 20:6. the 2nd death will have 'NO POWER OVER THEM"...Allelujah!

I was reading some where to keep our thoughts on the big picture in the times of trouble.  Think on Jerusalem being here and our being in it...This has helped me stay focused on the captivity coming upon me this year before winter.   praise our Lord for opening our eyes ahead of time and his speaking to each of us in various ways and we share with each other to encourage and to receive wisdom of God in all of it to help us.   I have been refreshed in this post, sister in Christ.   

I know you'll enjoy this in the bible about the dead rising up and fighting with the Lord, not only is it spoken of to us in Rev 14:1-5 but a better picture of the event is described in Habakkuk 2-3.  THIS IS ALL END TIME EVENTS.


Hab 2:7  Will not your debtors rise?  (resurrected from the grave) Will they not "WAKE UP" and make you tremble?   
8)  Because you plundered many nations and the peoples who are left "WILL PLUNDER YOU"  (the beast/oppressor)

Hab 3:8  Where you angry with the rivers, O Lord?  Was your WRATH against the streams?  Did you rage against the Sea "when you rode with YOUR HORSES AND YOUR VICTORIOUS CHARIOTS? 9) you uncovered YOUR BOW, (resurrect Judah)You called for many arrows.

Zech 9:13  I will bend Judah as I bend "MY BOW" and fill it with Ephraim  I will rouse your sons, O Zion (resurrect the sons)

This is coming against the Oppressor/Beast and the kings involved with him.  Judah will be raised from the ground as promised for they are God's eternal bow along with Ephraim and they are the ones who Rev 14:1-5 is referring to when the King Jesus is standing on Mt.Zion.  the biggest battle on earth is coming forth the King Jesus is soon coming to resurrect the Dead in Christ first and then those who are alive will be witnesses to this going on because this takes place before those who are still alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye...

Rev 14:12-13 proves this to be true, because as Judah and Ephraim are on Mt. Zion with Jesus Rev 14:1-5 read a little further down and Jesus tells his Saints to in verses 12 that this calls for patient endurance on part of the "SAINTS" who remain faithful to Christ and then in verse 13 Those who are still alive die as Jesus says, "Blessed are those who "DIE IN THE LORD FROM NOW OWN". 

We have been instructed to Not fear the Beast power, but to remain faithful just like Daniel and his three friends because our Lord is with us and will lead us through this into his kingdom that is soon appearing when he resurrects the Dead and we see them all around Jerusalem because we will be taken there as this is God's will to those who are left alive till his comes.   Even if we should die before we get there, we will be raised up and given everlasting life at the coming of Jesus

John 5:28-29  Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming (it certainly is)  when all who "ARE IN THEIR GRAVES"  will "HEAR  HIS VOICE" and COME OUT." (this is what all the verses above are speaking in reference of) Those who have "DONE GOOD" will "Rise To LIVE" (our eternal life given to us)  and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 

Our King Jesus is coming to raise the Dead and give  those who are alive at his coming Eternal Life and they will be changed in the twinkling of an Eye.

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the father said he was sending the tribulation through the seed of Ishmael  and they are camped around us now.  Trust the Lord in the times of trouble that is near to all of us.   The Lord is coming.

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 08:30:29 pm »
From the previous verses in the OP we see that God told Jeremiah His people were to go into captivity....captivity to the king of Babylon, who is symbolic of Satan and his one-world order. That was an example of us going into captivity to this same entity. "All nations" were to serve him and we do for he controls this present world. It is necessary to repeat some of the verses....


Jeremiah 27:8-9 And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand. Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, 'Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:



  • Nations and kingdoms are to serve him...people and their leaders. Notice that although nations are to go into captivity they are still protected by our Father. It is those that refuse to (and I don't know how they do that) will be punished but they are punished by "his hand," meaning the king of Babylon's hand, or...the power of Satan. Apparently God witholds Satan's hand/power from us...He protects us during this captivity.


    God speaks of two types of prophets. There are those false prophets that "prophesy lies in My name," and there are His true prophets. Both types are in His house today!



    • Jeremiah 23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in My house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord.
27:18-20 But if they be prophets, and if the word of the LORD be with them, let them now make intercession to the LORD of hosts, that the vessels which are left in the house of the LORD, and in the house of the king of Judah, and at Jerualem, go not to Babylon.' For thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the pillars, and concerning the sea, and concerning the bases, and concerning the residue of the vessels that remain in this city. Which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took not, when he carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah from Jerusalem to Babylon, and all the nobles of Judah and Jerusalem;


27:21-22 Yea, thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning the vessels that remain in the house of the LORD, and in the house of the king of Judah and of Jerusalem; They shall be carried to Babylon and there shall they be until the day that I visit them, saith the LORD: then will I bring them up, and restore them to this place.' "



There is an interesting consideration here. Above we're shown "pillars, the sea and the bases" remaining in the city and yet in Kings we read....


  • 2 Kings 25:13 And the pillars of brass that were in the house of the LORD, and the bases, and the brasen sea that was in the house of the LORD, did the Chaldees break in pieces, and carried the brass of them to Babylon.


I believe the answer is...both are correct. The literal pillars, sea and bases were broken and carried to Babylon, as well as the figurative people that they represent, who are the king of Judah and his nobles...the broken vessels. So the broken vessels were taken but other vessels remained in the city. They are the pillars, the sea and the bases mentioned in [Jeremiah 27:18-20]. Who are they?


Jeremiah himself is one of the "pillars in the house of the Lord" as we too may be and he remained in the city with the king's daughters who are "the vessels of the house of the king of Judah." So the literal items, among which were "brass pillars" were taken, as well as the broken people they are symbolic of. But, not all the vessels were taken, not the "iron pillar!"


Our Father, when first calling Jeremiah said to him....


  • Jeremiah 1:18-19 For, behold, I have made thee this day a defenced city, and an iron pillar, and brasen walls against the whole land, against the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof, and against the people of the land. And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to deliver thee.

    Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God: and I will write upon him My new name.


The king of Babylon has taken captive the world....and this includes God's children who have been taken captive to him through deception...political and religious deception. But, some are set aside...for there are "vessels that remain in the house of the Lord." Of them He tells us, "they shall be carried to Babylon and there shall they be until the day that I visit them...then will I bring them up and restore them to this place." [Jeremiah 27:21-22]


Why does God want His children to go into captivity? Why are they/we blinded to the truth for as much as we might think we laid the golden egg....none of us know it all. He feeds us depending upon our maturity. But...some are blinded not only by God for their protection but by Satan, who blinds their hearts.


  • Romans 11:25-26 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


    Romans 11:3-5 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


    Revelation 14:3-5 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.


    Revelation 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


    Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.



To answer the question posed at the ending of the OP....


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Jeremiah 27:21-22 Yea, thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning the vessels that remain in the house of the LORD, and in the house of the king of Judah and of Jerusalem; They shall be carried to Babylon and there shall they be until the day that I visit them, saith the LORD: then will I bring them up, and restore them to this place.' "


The plot thickens...who are these vessels He speaks of? Why are His children ordered to go into captivity and yet some of the vessels remain???




The vessels remaning in the house of the Lord, that are carried to Babylon until He visits them are His very elect, His kings and priests, His saints, His man child, the seven thousand reserved men....those of the first resurrection! They are the firstfruits of God and the Lamb.


God calls many and many answer but of those many called a few are chosen....they are chosen at the last, in the last days, and they are His first (firstfruits).


  • Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.


They/we are in Babylon (religious confusion) until the day He visits us, the day He calls us by name and brings us up to restore us!


That raises the question....How long are we to stay...or have we been...in captivity?

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 08:57:38 pm »
We have been  in captivity in America since the beginning, though many say our founding father's were believers
  I read a copy of the original diaries of George Washington.  He never mentions or acknowledges God in them.  And as much as I love
America I have not found the Name of Jesus any where from the beginning of her becoming a country of immigrants.  The dollar bill
has God on it but not Jesus and they has always bothered me, because if this nation was founded up Jesus then why isn't he mentioned?

Nor is the name "Lord" used only "God".    it is something to think about. lol  so in "MYOPINION" and that is all it is..an opinion...the beast power has been here since Adam took a bit with Eve.   lol   

But here is the seriousness that we need to grasp in these verses in Jeremiah and in other prophets, like Ezekiel  and  Daniel,  which tells us in Dan 2:36-45 of God giving dominion to King Neb over all the kingdoms of the earth and what is interesting is in Dan 2:45 IS WHERE GOD TELLS KING NEB HIS KINGDOM IS COMING UP IN A FURTURE TIME.   What is interesting is when this dream was given to King Neb he already was the greatest kingdom upon the earth and controlled Israel for about 65 yrs give or take as Israel went under Darious and Cyprus at the End of the 70 yrs.


Then the plot thickens as chapter 2 of Daniel gives the meaning of the dream that Jesus will come and destroy King Neb kingdom...well..hummm..lol that meas that King Neb will be the King over the nations when  Jeus comes back ...
the father said he was sending the tribulation through the seed of Ishmael  and they are camped around us now.  Trust the Lord in the times of trouble that is near to all of us.   The Lord is coming.

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 09:11:05 pm »
continued from the last post. lol

Jesus is raising King Neb up from the ground to destroy Israel and this is the meaning of Dan 7: 4 The first was like a lion (king of Assyria) and it had wings of an eagle.  I watched until its wings were torn off and it was "LIFTED FROM THE GROUND"  (resurrected) so that it stood on two feet like a man, and the "HEART OF A MAN" was given to it.  (King Neb raised up will be given the powers of Satan as this is a man who the nation of Islam is looking for the "IMAM" coming up from the Dead. 

This man will fulfill all that was recorded by Jeremiah and Ezekiel and Daniel and other prophets. Jerm 50:17 says the first to crush Israel is the King of Assyria and the last to ever crush Israel is King Nebuchadnezzar and reading down to verse 20 God makes the statement that Israel will be sin free after this King Neb,   and of course in Daniel 2:3-45 King Neb was told his dream is for a distant future and Jesus the Rock will come and destroy him and his kingdom and the kings with him...this is been sealed from us until the Lord opened the Seals in Rev 5 which has put us into the Tribulation and this Year we will see captivity.

We do not fear this Seed, because Just Like Daniel and his 3 friends, we know our Lord is with us and we will trust the Lord to deliver us through this and it is only a time of testing of our faith and we must stay the course as our Lord Jesus is with us and he will not disappoint us, but will answer our prayers and call us "HIS PEOPLE"...amen.  We serve a great Lord who the Isalmics do not know. 

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the father said he was sending the tribulation through the seed of Ishmael  and they are camped around us now.  Trust the Lord in the times of trouble that is near to all of us.   The Lord is coming.

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 12:55:58 am »
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Jeremiah 1:18-19 For, behold, I have made thee   this day a defenced city, and an iron pillar, and brasen walls against the whole land, against the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof, and against the people of the land. And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to deliver thee.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God: and I will write upon him My new name.

Interesting on the 'pillar'...(pillar as in one pillar)  grin

Gen 49:5 Simeon and Levi [are] brethren; instruments of cruelty [are in] their habitations.

Gen 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

Jos 19:1     And the second lot came forth to Simeon, [even] for the tribe of the children of Simeon according to their families: and their inheritance was within the inheritance of the children of Judah.

Jos 19:9     Out of the portion of the children of Judah [was] the inheritance of the children of Simeon: for the part of the children of Judah was too much for them: therefore the children of Simeon had their inheritance within the inheritance of them.


From the tribe of Simeon we have Jachin...as in Jachin and Boaz (the two pillars)

The name Jachin means

he that strengthens and makes steadfast

Strongs #03199: Nyky Yakiyn
Jachin = "He will establish"

n pr m
1) the 4th son of Simeon and founder of the family of Jachinites
2) a priest and the head of the 21st course in the time of David
3) a post-exilic priest in the time of Nehemiah

n pr
4) name of the right-hand pillar before the temple


Image of one pillar (Right hand pillar) and priests   :confused0006:  


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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 01:24:17 am »
Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

Jachin is the right side, Boaz is the left side...

Right hand represents the male...(sister Betty's post) http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=20637&hl

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RIGHT:

The symbolic meaning of the criminal on right, is the Adam ( masculine):
Light, Oral Law, Love, Practice, intuitive wisdom, mercy
RIGHT is associated with Abraham ( right pillar ) + Virgin Mary + Jachin (right pillar)

CENTER/MIDDLE:
CHRIST --- Messiah ------ crucified in the middle --------- Moses, given the 10 commandments ---------( Jacob's pillar, of Bethal ) ----- The `Word` made Flesh, Jesus Christ the Son of God (IHVH)

LEFT:

The symbolic meaning of the criminal on left, is the Eve ( feminine):
Dark, Written Law, Discipline, Theory, rational intellect, judgement
LEFT is associated with Boaz ( left pillar ) + Isaac + Mary Magdalene

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 11:38:34 pm »
 

We have been instructed to Not fear the Beast power, but to remain faithful just like Daniel and his three friends because our Lord is with us and will lead us through this into his kingdom that is soon appearing when he resurrects the Dead and we see them all around Jerusalem because we will be taken there as this is God's will to those who are left alive till his comes.   Even if we should die before we get there, we will be raised up and given everlasting life at the coming of Jesus




What a wonderful example!  Daniel and his friends in captivity.   agreed

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 11:43:49 pm »
Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

Jachin is the right side, Boaz is the left side...

Right hand represents the male...(sister Betty's post) http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=20637&hl

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RIGHT:

The symbolic meaning of the criminal on right, is the Adam ( masculine):
Light, Oral Law, Love, Practice, intuitive wisdom, mercy
RIGHT is associated with Abraham ( right pillar ) + Virgin Mary + Jachin (right pillar)

CENTER/MIDDLE:
CHRIST --- Messiah ------ crucified in the middle --------- Moses, given the 10 commandments ---------( Jacob's pillar, of Bethal ) ----- The `Word` made Flesh, Jesus Christ the Son of God (IHVH)

LEFT:

The symbolic meaning of the criminal on left, is the Eve ( feminine):
Dark, Written Law, Discipline, Theory, rational intellect, judgement
LEFT is associated with Boaz ( left pillar ) + Isaac + Mary Magdalene





Thank you Cizz....it's funny but as often happens....(especially with Betty  grin ) thoughts seem to merge.  I was just delving into right hand, left hand meanings.  I also appreciate the "pillar" info.


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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2010, 03:18:49 pm »
Continued....


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Jeremiah 27:21-22 Yea, thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning the vessels that remain in the house of the LORD, and in the house of the king of Judah and of Jerusalem; They shall be carried to Babylon and there shall they be until the day that I visit them, saith the LORD: then will I bring them up, and restore them to this place.' "


The vessels remaning in the house of the Lord, that are carried to Babylon until He visits them are His very elect, His kings and priests, His saints, His man child, the seven thousand reserved men....those of the first resurrection! They are the firstfruits of God and the Lamb.


They/we are in Babylon (religious confusion) until the day He visits us, the day He calls us by name and brings us up to restore us!


That raises the question....How long are we to stay...or have we been...in captivity?





From the literal historical example, our Father shows us the spiritual event about our captivity....how long it will last and what to do during this time.



Jeremiah 25:11-13 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. And I will bring upon that land all My words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations.


  • We're given a time....seventy years will we serve the king of Babylon before he/they are punished. There is a second witness to that.....


Jeremiah 29:1-2 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon; (After that Jeconiah the king, and the queen, and the eunuchs, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, and the carpenters, and the smiths, were departed from Jerusalem.)


  • This letter is addressed not to those first taken captive by the king of Babylon (Satan's deception) but is written to those God said were to go into captivity but would be called by Him...it is addressed to us, His saints waiting to be visited!


29:4-7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, unto all that are carried away captives, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem unto Babylon; Build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them; Take ye wives, and beget sons and daughters; and take wives for your sons, and give your daughters to husbands, that they may bear sons and daughters; that ye may be increased there, and not diminished. And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the LORD for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace.


29:8-10 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed. For they prophesy falsely unto you in My name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD. For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform My good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.


  • We are warned....there are false teachers, prophets, leaders in our midst! Know them and know "they prophesy falsely" and do so in His name...saying they are of Christ/Christian.

29:12-14 Then shall ye call upon Me, and ye shall go and pray unto Me, and I will hearken unto you. And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart. And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.


  • Concerning us, this is not a physical gathering of humans to be taken to Jerusalem as it was historically....but is a spiritual gathering...it must be understood spiritually. He awakens us, we see, we find and then...we are no longer captive to the king of Babylon. We are free.


29:16-19 Know that thus saith the LORD of the king that sitteth upon the throne of David, and of all the people that dwelleth in this city, and of your brethren that are not gone forth with you into captivity; Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will send upon them the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, and will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil. And I will persecute them with the sword, with the famine, and with the pestilence, and will deliver them to be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse, and an astonishment, and an hissing, and a reproach, among all the nations whither I have driven them: Because they have not hearkened to My words, saith the LORD, which I sent unto them by My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but ye would not hear, saith the LORD.


  • So we now know it is seventy years of captivity but from which point do we reckon that time. When did it begin for us? What clues has He given us?

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Re: Go Into Captivity....Or Else!
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2010, 10:53:30 pm »
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So we now know it is seventy years of captivity but from which point do we reckon that time. When did it begin for us...for it has begun? What clues has He given us?



At the end of the seventy years this age shall end. When did the seventy years begin? Although He tells us we're not to know the day or hour we are to know the season.......



  • Jeremiah 30:3,7-8 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of My people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD; and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.' " (7-8) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bounds, and strangers shall no more serve (tremble, fear) themselves of him:


That day ends the seventy years of captivity for all of Jacob/Israel which includes both the house of Israel and the house of Judah...Christians and Jews. When did it begin for us, what was the beginning of the seventy years of captivity? The clues are given in the parable of the fig tree. Mention of the fig trees runs through the Bible...beginning in the garden of Eden when, to cover their nakedness after sinning, Adam and Eve "sewed fig leaves together." How is the fig parable tied to Jeremiah's prophecy of the seventy year generation? It began when Israel became a nation. They were returned and the countdown in captivity began.



  • Mark 13:19-20,28-30 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the LORD had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days. (28-30) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.

The "this generation" refers to those living in "those days" of affliction/tribulation. He instructs us to "learn a parable of the fig tree" and it will tell us of this final generation.....




  • Jeremiah 24:1-3 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

    24:4-7 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good. For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart.

    24:8-10 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.


This same basket of evil figs mentioned in [Jeremiah 29:17] where the Lord said He "will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil" are one of the two baskets of figs in the above parable. On May 14, 1948, Pentecost, Israel became a nation. Very good figs were set out with the very evil figs and the time of captivity began. Of the fig tree Jesus tells us...."When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near," and summer is the time of harvest! Also realize He told us...."the Lord shortened those days." Today we see constant turmoil between the two baskets...how much longer? The time will be shortened and what of the "seventy years?" What does the number seventy signify?


  • Seventy ~ A combination of two of the perfect numbers, seven and ten. Seven times ten signifies perfect spiritual order carried out with all spiritual power and significance. Both spirit and order are greatly emphasied. ~ Numbers in Scripture, Bullinger


Is the seventy years of captivity to be taken literally or spiritually? Is it the spiritually perfect number of years He decides for us to be in captivity or is it actually seventy years? Or, is the seventy years symbolic of seven thousand years? My belief is that it is a literal mark of time. My reasoning is because historically they were in captivity to the king of Babylon for seventy literal years. If the establishment of Israel as a nation in 1948 was the seventy year marker then May 14, 2018 concludes the time in captivity but...the time has been shortened.

He told us we would spend seventy years in captivity but what of the other type we have been given, what of the forty years in the wilderness? Wouldn't both types apply? And if, as I believe, the answer is YES, then they would run concurrently. This age being completed by the last forty years (signifying probation...our time in the wilderness) of the seventy years of (captivity). We're told in Joel what is to happen before the end....



  • Joel 2:30-32 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


On May 18, 1980 Mt. St. Helens erupted. Was that the sign spoken of in Joel that was to happen before the day of the Lord? Did our time in the wilderness, our forty years of probation, begin then? There was a wonder shown in her "pillars of smoke," that happened to be caught by a photographer.....


Mount St. Helens @ God's Geography



Forty years from 1980 would put us at 2020 but....the time has been shortened. So much has gone on in the past years, in this generation...the generation of the fig tree. Are we prepared?