Let THEM Be For Signs

[whirlwind]

Genesis 1:14-18 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.



Although this thread is about "signs" it's necessary to consider the spiritual teaching in the above passage. Look past the sun, moon and stars as we see them with our physical eyes to what they represent. Day/Light and Night/Darkness.....Christ and Satan...the "two great lights." God also "made the stars." Who are they?

• Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
  
  1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
  
  Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Spiritual stars are followers of either the Light or the darkness. For, "one star differeth from another." Some are the sons of God while others are of Satan...wandering stars, fallen angels. Followers of Christ shine His "light upon the earth." In doing so we "divide the Light from darkness." As an aside...all prophecy given about Satan is in months, lunar...of the night/darkness.


In seeing the beginning passage in a spiritual light I had difficulty with the word made in "God made two great lights." If the "greater light to rule the day" is the Sun...Christ, then saying He was "made" doesn't sound correct for He is God. God isn't "made." However I found it means He was "made flesh."

• John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
  
  Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
  
  2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
  
  Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The Sun is Christ, the moon is Satan...the two great lights God made for this spiritual battle for souls. The moon, although named the lesser of the great lights, is as Satan for as Satan is devoid of all light, the moon has no light of it's own. Rather it reflects the light of the sun...as Satan, who pretends to be as Christ, is a pale imitation of His glory.

• 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The stars are followers of the Sun or the moon. As Satan pretends to be an angel of light...his ministers pretend to be stars of Christ. God said, "Let them be for signs." That leads us into the following....

• Signs #4591 Greek...semaino ~ from sema (a mark; of uncert. der.); to indicate: - signify #4592 of a presumed der. of the base of 4591; an indication, espec. cerem. or supernatural: - miracle, sign, token wonderful
  
  Signs #226 Hebrew...owth, ~ from 225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (lit. or fig.) as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc. - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token. #225 to come, i.e. (impl.) to assent) - consent (note...in Daniel 4:2-3 only it means "portent." corresponding to #226 )

King Nebuchadnezzar wrote....

• Daniel 4:2-3 I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me. How great are His signs! and how mighty are His wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and His dominion is from generation to generation.

His kingdom IS His signs and wonders. They ARE His signs and the inhabitants of His kingdom.

• Hebrews 2:3-5 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to His own will? For unto the angels hath He not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

The signs bear witness as led by the Holy Spirit. The signs hear His Word, witness His Word and it confirms His truth to those that hear. Isaiah wrote....

• Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

The children ARE for signs. We are children of the Light but there are also children of darkness.

• 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
  
  Matthew 24:23-25 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.

The great signs are the false prophets that deceive! They are Satan's "lying wonders." So waiting for literal stars to explode or fall to earth will mislead you. Satan's great signs are all around us...teaching, preaching, educating - DECEIVING.

• Luke 21:8 And He said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Many are here saying they are Christian (I am Christ) but they are here to deceive.  We are His signs and wonders...made to give His light on the earth and to separate light from darkness...so know who you are and let your light shine.

• 1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The Light - Christ.  The night/darkness - Satan.  Children of the Light - us, His signs and wonders, His stars in the heaven.   

[RoseofSharon]

My question with all of this is if that be the case how come God's given calendar is a lunar calendar not a solar one, and why also would GOd construct his tabernacle in such a way that everything faced west and away from the sun rather than toward it?

I think I understand your reasoning, but these things do not fit with your reasoning.

[whirlwind]

My question with all of this is if that be the case how come God's given calendar is a lunar calendar not a solar one, and why also would GOd construct his tabernacle in such a way that everything faced west and away from the sun rather than toward it?

I think I understand your reasoning, but these things do not fit with your reasoning.

Interesting questions Rose.  The following quote may answer one of your questions....

• Biblical Hebrew Calendar - Rood Awaking
  
  Has the western Gentile Christian world forsaken God’s calendar?
  
  We are living in the Creator’s universe. The world in which we live is synchronized to His calendar and His time clock. Whether we recognize it or not makes no difference. The Almighty does not spin the world around what we do or do not understand.
  
  The Creator’s reckoning of time is clearly detailed in the first scroll of the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet, the western Gentile Christian world has forsaken God’s calendar. Instead, it has adopted a pagan reckoning of time in which every day of the week and month of the year is named after a pagan god or fallen angel. Days, weeks, months, and years all begin at completely fictitious points in time. Those raised within the western paradigm have no idea what time it is. It is as if the hands have been broken from the face of the clock.
  
  The Creator set the sun, moon, planets, and stars in their courses as an elaborate time-keeping device that has not varied since creation. By it we understand His appointed times and seasons, which enables us to live in harmony with Him and His creation. Our published Astronomically and Agriculturally Corrected Hebrew Biblical Calendar is designed to help those who seek to more fully understand the Hebrew Scriptures – from Genesis to Revelation.

From the following we see the light (pun intended  ) shed on months....

• Revelation 9:5  And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
  
  Revelation 9:10  And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
  
  Revelation 11:2  But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
  
  Revelation 13:5  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

They concern Satan's time at the end of days.  The same span of time, when referencing God's children, is given in days, the light....

• Revelation 11:3  And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

As to your other question, "would GOD construct his tabernacle in such a way that everything faced west and away from the sun rather than toward it" I would have to say    I dunno. 


If you're referencing the following verse it tells us those men were worshipping the wrong way.  The east is where wickedness comes from.

• Ezekiel 8:16  And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

They worshipped the wrong one...the fake from the east. 


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[whirlwind]

I had to laugh when I looked back over this thread.  The "sign" I see all the time...all the time...are the numbers 1 & 4 in any combination.  As odd as it sounds, that is what first awakened me to His calling.  I noticed the time this thread was posted and the first verse chosen....

• Let THEM Be For Signs
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  Genesis 1:14-18 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs......

 

[dgbygrace]

Very interesting study.

[me2lord]

My question with all of this is if that be the case how come God's given calendar is a lunar calendar not a solar one, and why also would GOd construct his tabernacle in such a way that everything faced west and away from the sun rather than toward it?

I think I understand your reasoning, but these things do not fit with your reasoning.

Interesting questions Rose.  The following quote may answer one of your questions....

• Biblical Hebrew Calendar - Rood Awaking
  
  Has the western Gentile Christian world forsaken God’s calendar?
  
  We are living in the Creator’s universe. The world in which we live is synchronized to His calendar and His time clock. Whether we recognize it or not makes no difference. The Almighty does not spin the world around what we do or do not understand.
  
  The Creator’s reckoning of time is clearly detailed in the first scroll of the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet, the western Gentile Christian world has forsaken God’s calendar. Instead, it has adopted a pagan reckoning of time in which every day of the week and month of the year is named after a pagan god or fallen angel. Days, weeks, months, and years all begin at completely fictitious points in time. Those raised within the western paradigm have no idea what time it is. It is as if the hands have been broken from the face of the clock.
  
  The Creator set the sun, moon, planets, and stars in their courses as an elaborate time-keeping device that has not varied since creation. By it we understand His appointed times and seasons, which enables us to live in harmony with Him and His creation. Our published Astronomically and Agriculturally Corrected Hebrew Biblical Calendar is designed to help those who seek to more fully understand the Hebrew Scriptures – from Genesis to Revelation.

As to your other question, "would GOD construct his tabernacle in such a way that everything faced west and away from the sun rather than toward it" I would have to say    I dunno. 
If you're referencing the following verse it tells us those men were worshipping the wrong way.  The east is where wickedness comes from.

• Ezekiel 8:16  And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

They worshipped the wrong one...the fake from the east. 

Good day,  WW.  interesting as always reading your topics 

When I was reading Jer 8:1-3   Where the Lord resurrects the dead for destruction at his coming which are those who worshiped the sun, moon, star which they followed and consulted.   He says these will be raised to condemnation  Jer 8:20 

Somehow all the verses I read in the bible even though the word light is use in translation, this is not what the Lord desires from us, but says plainly those who worship him in this way will be destroyed.

In Jer 8:4  God says to Jeremiah to say to these whose bones are of them who have done these things  because of the lying pen of the scribes (Jer 8:8-9) have handled it falsely, those who have the Law.

Our Lord has just said in these verses that the Jews who teach worship of God through the sun, moon and stars, who are called the Scribes and they have the Law are lying scribes.

For centuries  the Christian Protestant teachers have trusted in the translations of the Scribes for the Hebrew writings in the bible. Their teaching of the worship of sun is tied into the worship of the Lord and has been taking the Christians purposely away from truth.

exsamples

2 Tim 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

the word light would better be translated "enlightenment"

James 1:17  Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

a good verse that gives description of God is  Habakkuk 3:4

His splendor was like the sunrise;  rays flashed from HIS HANDS where HIS POWER WAS HIDDEN.  Plague went before Him; Pestilence followed his steps  He STOOD AND SHOOK THE EARTH,  HE LOOKED AND MADE THE NATIONS TREMBLE. 

God is not the Sun, but the analogy of  the Sun is used because of it's brightness, fire and has been the object used to describe the Lord in the bible, though, the lying hand of the Scribes who exist today in Judah, have sun worship to God and it has become infiltrated into our teachings of God.  Then we have the proof of Jesus coming in the flesh, and the Jews could not explain this how  could God come in the flesh, born of a virgin. 

When God is referred to as Light in the bible here is the  greek word and the Hebrew word which one must remember  all definitions are man inspired by what they understand and this won't do as much as the direct verses in the bible to give us enlightenment. 

greek:  5457 φῶς [phos /foce/] n n. From an obsolete phao (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays, cf 5316, 5346); TDNT 9:310; TDNTA 1293; GK 5890; 70 occurrences; AV translates as “light” 68 times, and “fire” twice.  1 light. 1a the light. 1a1 emitted by a lamp. 1a2 a heavenly light such as surrounds angels when they appear on earth. 1b anything emitting light. 1b1 a star. 1b2 fire because it is light and sheds light. 1b3 a lamp or torch. 1c light, i.e brightness. 1c1 of a lamp. 2 metaph. 2a God is light because light has the extremely delicate, subtle, pure, brilliant quality. 2b of truth and its knowledge, together with the spiritual purity associated with it. 2c that which is exposed to the view of all, openly, publicly. 2d reason, mind. 2d1 the power of understanding esp. moral and spiritual truth.

2a make an assumption that God is light "because" light has the extremely delicate subtle pure quality... god is pure in thought, not pure in brightness as these leads us to assume.   I like the Logos bible software I use, but they are of the Sunworship God in their understanding because they use the teachings that come from the Scribes handed down to us....we have been lied to by the Scribes, the bible says we have and we need to understand this is true and we need to come out of this teaching and worship the Lord who made the Sun , the star, the moon and earth and us. 

If you believe the Lord made the sun then you know the sun is not God.  And He sent his son Jesus in the flesh.

In Christ's love
Vickie




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[whirlwind]

Good day,  WW.  interesting as always reading your topics 

When I was reading Jer 8:1-3   Where the Lord resurrects the dead for destruction at his coming which are those who worshiped the sun, moon, star which they followed and consulted.   He says these will be raised to condemnation  Jer 8:20 

Somehow all the verses I read in the bible even though the word light is use in translation, this is not what the Lord desires from us, but says plainly those who worship him in this way will be destroyed.

In Jer 8:4  God says to Jeremiah to say to these whose bones are of them who have done these things  because of the lying pen of the scribes (Jer 8:8-9) have handled it falsely, those who have the Law.

Our Lord has just said in these verses that the Jews who teach worship of God through the sun, moon and stars, who are called the Scribes and they have the Law are lying scribes.

For centuries  the Christian Protestant teachers have trusted in the translations of the Scribes for the Hebrew writings in the bible. Their teaching of the worship of sun is tied into the worship of the Lord and has been taking the Christians purposely away from truth.

exsamples

2 Tim 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

the word light would better be translated "enlightenment"

James 1:17  Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

a good verse that gives description of God is  Habakkuk 3:4

His splendor was like the sunrise;  rays flashed from HIS HANDS where HIS POWER WAS HIDDEN.  Plague went before Him; Pestilence followed his steps  He STOOD AND SHOOK THE EARTH,  HE LOOKED AND MADE THE NATIONS TREMBLE. 

God is not the Sun, but the analogy of  the Sun is used because of it's brightness, fire and has been the object used to describe the Lord in the bible, though, the lying hand of the Scribes who exist today in Judah, have sun worship to God and it has become infiltrated into our teachings of God.  Then we have the proof of Jesus coming in the flesh, and the Jews could not explain this how  could God come in the flesh, born of a virgin. 

When God is referred to as Light in the bible here is the  greek word and the Hebrew word which one must remember  all definitions are man inspired by what they understand and this won't do as much as the direct verses in the bible to give us enlightenment. 

greek:  5457 φῶς [phos /foce/] n n. From an obsolete phao (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays, cf 5316, 5346); TDNT 9:310; TDNTA 1293; GK 5890; 70 occurrences; AV translates as “light” 68 times, and “fire” twice.  1 light. 1a the light. 1a1 emitted by a lamp. 1a2 a heavenly light such as surrounds angels when they appear on earth. 1b anything emitting light. 1b1 a star. 1b2 fire because it is light and sheds light. 1b3 a lamp or torch. 1c light, i.e brightness. 1c1 of a lamp. 2 metaph. 2a God is light because light has the extremely delicate, subtle, pure, brilliant quality. 2b of truth and its knowledge, together with the spiritual purity associated with it. 2c that which is exposed to the view of all, openly, publicly. 2d reason, mind. 2d1 the power of understanding esp. moral and spiritual truth.

2a make an assumption that God is light "because" light has the extremely delicate subtle pure quality... god is pure in thought, not pure in brightness as these leads us to assume.   I like the Logos bible software I use, but they are of the Sunworship God in their understanding because they use the teachings that come from the Scribes handed down to us....we have been lied to by the Scribes, the bible says we have and we need to understand this is true and we need to come out of this teaching and worship the Lord who made the Sun , the star, the moon and earth and us. 

If you believe the Lord made the sun then you know the sun is not God.  And He sent his son Jesus in the flesh.

In Christ's love
Vickie

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I may not have written clearly.  I agree, we are not to worship the sun.  That isn't what I was trying to say.

• Genesis 1:14-18 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Rather it is to see the spiritual teaching in the above passage...not to worship the literal sun...but to see what the sun, moon and stars represent.  It is fascinating to see the examples given. 


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[dgbygrace]

I got that WW.  One of the fascinating things about the "living Word" it applies on so many levels.  Perhaps that is where the scribes fell into error...they took it too much on just one level.

[me2lord]

I got that WW.  One of the fascinating things about the "living Word" it applies on so many levels.  Perhaps that is where the scribes fell into error...they took it too much on just one level.

I know you didn't say     I was just moved by the spirit to bring those verses concerning the light and what God will do to those who do these things. I never know when the spirit will move on me...lol

In Christ's love

[cizz]

In seeing the beginning passage in a spiritual light I had difficulty with the word made in "God made two great lights." If the "greater light to rule the day" is the Sun...Christ, then saying He was "made" doesn't sound correct for He is God. God isn't "made." However I found it means He was "made flesh."





John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Judi sister, this is so in line with something I was reading today! The word made and Jesus, you explained that wonderfully for me 


The Temple/Tabernacle faced east by the way, the Holy of Holies was located in the westernmost end of the Temple building ...