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Can You Do That???!!!
« on: July 06, 2010, 07:53:20 pm »
Presbyterians to consider redefining marriage


Associated Press - 7/6/2010 6:40:00 AMMINNEAPOLIS- This week's General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) will consider redefining marriage to include same-sex couples and allowing ministers to perform same-sex weddings.

 


Carmen Fowler, president of the Presbyterian Lay Committee, believes those sorts of initiatives are to blame for the denomination's declining membership.
   

Her group supports upholding the church's traditional definition of marriage.
   

The PCUSA's newly-elected moderator, Cynthia Bolbach, supports gay marriage but told the assembly on Saturday that the denomination has become paralyzed.
   

Fowler says that's what happens when a church body becomes disconnected from its head -- Jesus Christ.
 

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/Default.aspx?id=1078584


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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 08:12:17 pm »
Presbyterians to consider redefining marriage


Associated Press - 7/6/2010 6:40:00 AMMINNEAPOLIS- This week's General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) will consider redefining marriage to include same-sex couples and allowing ministers to perform same-sex weddings.

 


Carmen Fowler, president of the Presbyterian Lay Committee, believes those sorts of initiatives are to blame for the denomination's declining membership.
   

Her group supports upholding the church's traditional definition of marriage.
   

The PCUSA's newly-elected moderator, Cynthia Bolbach, supports gay marriage but told the assembly on Saturday that the denomination has become paralyzed.
   

Fowler says that's what happens when a church body becomes disconnected from its head -- Jesus Christ.
 

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/Default.aspx?id=1078584


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I don't know if you saw the movie but I really liked it...Cold Mountain.  In it some terrible men hurt a woman.  One of the women that helped her said...."God won't stand for it much longer." 

Sides are being defined...it won't be much longer now I think.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 08:14:28 pm »
No, I haven't seen it or heard of it.  I'll have to check into that one.

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 08:21:50 pm »
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all else is but a reflection

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2010, 08:33:38 pm »
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Yeah!!! What she said!!!!


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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 12:29:26 am »
No, I haven't seen it or heard of it.  I'll have to check into that one.

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Suzanne


If you do keep your finger on the fast forward button.  It's a great movie, a wonderful love story, terrific acting and story but there are a couple of rough parts.  After all....Hollywood can't just have a terrific movie that stands on it's own.  They need to balance the good with bad.   seesaw 

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 01:08:25 am »
 huh Ewwwww From what I've heard of Cold mountain I personally wouldn't go near the film!   no2

The OP should horrify all that read it, for it shows the decline of not only society, but also how the church is being affected by the world rather than affecting the world any more.


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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 08:36:59 pm »
Glad to see that they "didn't" do that!


This evening - July 8, 2010 - the General Assembly (GA) of the PCUSA voted to uphold the traditional definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman.  Earlier this week the GA committee on Civil Unions and Marriage Issues had recommended that the entire Assembly change the definition of marriage to be between two people, which would have allowed homosexual couples to enter into a covenant of Christian Marriage.

Earlier in the same session, the GA sent two reports on the nature of marriage to all presbyteries and sessions for study.  One report, which came before the Assembly as the majority recommendation from the committee, advocates allowing same-sex marriage.  The other report, which came before the Assembly as the minority report from the committee, advocates the traditional definition of marriage.  These reports were essentially combined by a motion from the floor so that both reports will be sent out for further study by presbyteries and sessions.

Before the Assembly was able to consider the committee's recommendation to alter the definition of marriage, a commissioner moved that the rest of the committee's recommendations be answered by the action taken by the Assembly in sending out the two reports mentioned above.  After debate, this motion was approved by a vote of 348-324, only a 2% margin - 51% for and 49% against.

Thus, the Presbyterian Church (USA) maintains a traditional definition of marriage as between one man and one woman.  Officially, same-sex marriages are not sanctioned by the denomination and this will remain the case for at least the next two years until the 220th General Assembly convenes in 2012.


http://www.examiner.com/x-53209-Richmond-Protestant-Examiner~y2010m7d9-PCUSA-General-Assembly-upholds-traditional-definition-of-marriage

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 08:41:37 pm »
And......2 steps back......

Presbyterian Leaders Approve Gay Clergy Policy
Thursday, 08 Jul 2010 08:55 PM Article Font Size     


Presbyterian leaders voted Thursday to allow non-celibate gays in committed relationships to serve as clergy, approving the first of two policy changes that could make their church one of the most gay-friendly major Christian denominations in the U.S.

But the vote isn't a final stamp of approval for the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) or its more than 2 million members.

Delegates voted during the church's general assembly in Minneapolis, with 53 percent approving the more liberal policy on gay clergy. A separate vote is expected later Thursday on whether to change the church's definition of marriage from between "a man and a woman" to between "two people."

Such changes must be approved by a majority of the church's 173 U.S. presbyteries before they can take effect. Two years ago, the assembly voted to liberalize the gay clergy policy — but it died last year when 94 of the presbyteries voted against it.

Under current church policy, Presbyterians are only eligible to become clergy, deacons or elders if they are married or celibate. The new policy would strike references to sexuality altogether in favor of candidates committed to "joyful submission to worship of Christ."

"What this is about is making sure we uphold what Christ taught us, to not judge one another," said Dan Roth, a church elder from Sacramento. "We will no longer have to tell our brothers and sisters in Christ that they lie about who they are."

But critics said the move toward more liberal policy would simply create disputes and bad feelings in Presbyterian churches nationwide.

"If we are once again conflicted with this question in our presbyteries, all the air will be sucked out of the room," said the Rev. William Reid Dalton III of Burlington, N.C. "All the other things, the important issues we need to consider will not considered."

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is ranked the 10th-largest church in the U.S. with 2.8 million members, according to the National Council of Churches' 2010 "Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches." The church's media materials tout 2.1 million members.

Several major Christian denominations have voted in recent years to allow non-celibate gays to serve as clergy if they are in committed relationships. Among them are the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the U.S. Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ.

Benjamin Wind, a nonvoting young adult delegate to the assembly from Syracuse, N.Y., said Presbyterians of his generation greatly favor the change.

"The world has become a more tolerant and accepting place," Wind said. "I've grown up with gay and lesbian friends, teachers, even spiritual leaders. They stand proud as people who deserve the same rights as all human beings."

Leaders of the Presbyterian Renewal Network, a conservative group within the church, said allowing non-celibate gay people to serve as clergy would amount to "removing the moral standard for our ministers."

Other delegates warned that liberalizing such policies would put the Presbyterian church in opposition to its cohorts in other parts of the world, where the denomination is seeing much of its new growth. Delegates also are considering removing the threat of punishment for clergy who perform same-sex marriages in states where it's legal.

"I fear for the partnerships we have built around the globe," said the Rev. D. Matthew Stith, pastor of Community Presbyterian Church in West Fargo, N.D.

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.): http://www.pcusa.org/

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Presbyterians-Gays/2010/07/08/id/364149

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