Are there Prophets delivering God's messages today, Or just Ordinary People?

[me2lord]

Prophets are mentioned being sent by the Lord in Acts 11:27.

Acts 11:27 During this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. One of them, name Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted
that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. The disciples each according to his ability decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea. They did this by sending the gifts by Barnabas and Saul.

In Chronicles 9:29 there are differences in receiving prophecy given to men by God. Examining the verse there is the Prophet of God Nathan who records the written things of God which all the prophets of the bible did also, but this verse also shows the Lord gives visions and such to the others as well, even the common man such as the Shilonite.

Then there is the mentioning of a gift of prophecy given to the Shilonite,

Also there is the mention of a Vision given to the Seer

All these three people received these words of God concerning acts of Solomon. But they were NOT ALL PROPHETS.

2 Chron 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the Seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?


What about the New Testament believers what is recorded about prophecy?

Romans 12:6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith.


2 Peter 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.


Isaiah was born to be a prophet and was created to be a sign to the children of Israel and the Lord did many wonders with Isaiah as well with each prophet recorded in the bible in the nation of Israel. These could be distinguished as a special breed for the Lord's work. These came under the Law of Moses.


Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.

Upon the Death of Jesus, the Lord has not created prophets from birth to be signs to the New Testament believers to my knowledge. But, the Lord has given "MANY BELIEVERS" messages through his holy spirit fulfilling His Will in warning to His People of coming disasters and Acts 11:27 brings this truth out because these through the Holy Spirit gave the message of famine coming upon the Land to the Apostles.

Now to cover the subject of Prophesying

Prophesying which does happen among the New Testament Believers and is done through the Spirit of God coming upon people. In Both Covenants Prophesying has always been through the spirit of God coming on a person, whether they are of the nation of Israel or New Testament Believers , being individual or a group, God can and does place His Spirit upon them according to his purpose and will for delivering His Messages.

Numbers 11:25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again.


A very insightful event takes place next in the camp where two men started prophesying that was not of the 70 elders and some of the men became disturbed these two men had not assigned place with the elders and they ran to tell Moses of this event thinking it was not their place to prophesy.

Numbers 11:26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.


27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.

28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. [[/u]/b]

29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

Moses knew the Lord's work was not limited to him or the elders, but to whom ever the it pleased the Lord for the Lord's work.  And we need to understand this today among the New Testament believers.

The Lord does not limit himself to his prophets when giving prophecy as the verses prove this. The Lord uses Ordinary people of his who hold not the title of prophet in the New Testament times, but are given the gift of prophecy, and this is what the Lord had done with me.  I am not a prophet nor anything special before the Lord, other than his child who love him and his father and all of the family of God.

There are times the  Lord sends warnings to his people before disaster comes as he did in Acts 11:27, but to those who oppose the messages of God's warning to his people, beware because the Lord does not approve of those who try to destroy the messenger and the message he sends, as Isaiah speaks on this from the Lord..

Isaiah 30:10 Who say to the seers, "You must not see visions"; And to the prophets, "You must not prophesy to us what is right, Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.

Isaiah 11 "Get out of the way, turn aside from the path, Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."

Be careful and do not refuse the messages from the Lord concerning his people, whether it be of a coming famine, a message of tribulation of any kind, be seek the Lord in the matter being told.  

Many of you have read the message of the Lord sending tribulation coming through the Seeds of Ishmael on the bottom of my post, and read many times where I have persisted in the time of tribulation is at hand and the horseman have been loosed upon the earth. These things are true as the Lord has told me so.

Now that day of persecutions is at hand for God's people and is now drawing near as the Lord said they would take me this Year before the leaves fall off the trees.

According to  MY FAITH, I stand before the Father, the Lord God Almighty, Jehovah and His only Begotten Son, the Messiah, the King Jesus Christ, as they bear witness with me, through the Holy Spirit, the truth of their direct message I have given  to you. To the Alpha and the Omega, the First Born and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Amen


We are entering into the birth canal in tribulation under the King of Assyria and the King of Babylon for the final 4 yrs of Great tribulation, the Lord of Israel has shown me these things and you will see them come to pass in the short time ahead of us.


In accordance to my faith be it unto me accordingly
In Jesus Name,
Vickie

[whirlwind]

Prophets are mentioned being sent by the Lord in Acts 11:27.

Acts 11:27 During this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. One of them, name Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted
that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. The disciples each according to his ability decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea. They did this by sending the gifts by Barnabas and Saul.

In Chronicles 9:29 there are differences in receiving prophecy given to men by God. Examining the verse there is the Prophet of God Nathan who records the written things of God which all the prophets of the bible did also, but this verse also shows the Lord gives visions and such to the others as well, even the common man such as the Shilonite.

Then there is the mentioning of a gift of prophecy given to the Shilonite,

Also there is the mention of a Vision given to the Seer

All these three people received these words of God concerning acts of Solomon. But they were NOT ALL PROPHETS.

Why do you not see them as prophets too?

2 Chron 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the Seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?


What about the New Testament believers what is recorded about prophecy?

Romans 12:6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith.

2 Peter 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Isaiah was born to be a prophet and was created to be a sign to the children of Israel and the Lord did many wonders with Isaiah as well with each prophet recorded in the bible in the nation of Israel. These could be distinguished as a special breed for the Lord's work. These came under the Law of Moses.


Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.


Upon the Death of Jesus, the Lord has not created prophets from birth to be signs to the New Testament believers to my knowledge. But, the Lord has given "MANY BELIEVERS" messages through his holy spirit fulfilling His Will in warning to His People of coming disasters and Acts 11:27 brings this truth out because these through the Holy Spirit gave the message of famine coming upon the Land to the Apostles.

There I have to disagree with you.  Where it is written, "I and the children are for signs and wonders" it means....us.  We are the signs and wonders.  His Spirit indwells us and we prophesy. 

• 1 Corinthians 12:28-29  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

That is today, not just in Paul's time.   I think where the disagreement comes about is in our understanding of  the meaning of prophesy.  It isn't just to tell of future events. 

Now to cover the subject of Prophesying

Prophesying which does happen among the New Testament Believers and is done through the Spirit of God coming upon people. In Both Covenants Prophesying has always been through the spirit of God coming on a person, whether they are of the nation of Israel or New Testament Believers , being individual or a group, God can and does place His Spirit upon them according to his purpose and will for delivering His Messages.

Numbers 11:25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again.

There is a major difference in your translation and in the King James.  Where you show "they did not do it again," the KJ is they "did not cease." 

• Numbers 11:25  And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

I find that strange.  That is a HUGE discrepency.   

A very insightful event takes place next in the camp where two men started prophesying that was not of the 70 elders and some of the men became disturbed these two men had not assigned place with the elders and they ran to tell Moses of this event thinking it was not their place to prophesy.

Numbers 11:26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.


27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.

28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. [[/u]/b]

29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

Moses knew the Lord's work was not limited to him or the elders, but to whom ever the it pleased the Lord for the Lord's work.  And we need to understand this today among the New Testament believers.

The Lord does not limit himself to his prophets when giving prophecy as the verses prove this. The Lord uses Ordinary people of his who hold not the title of prophet in the New Testament times, but are given the gift of prophecy, and this is what the Lord had done with me.  I am not a prophet nor anything special before the Lord, other than his child who love him and his father and all of the family of God.

There are times the  Lord sends warnings to his people before disaster comes as he did in Acts 11:27, but to those who oppose the messages of God's warning to his people, beware because the Lord does not approve of those who try to destroy the messenger and the message he sends, as Isaiah speaks on this from the Lord..

Isaiah 30:10 Who say to the seers, "You must not see visions"; And to the prophets, "You must not prophesy to us what is right, Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.

Isaiah 11 "Get out of the way, turn aside from the path, Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."

Be careful and do not refuse the messages from the Lord concerning his people, whether it be of a coming famine, a message of tribulation of any kind, be seek the Lord in the matter being told.  

Many of you have read the message of the Lord sending tribulation coming through the Seeds of Ishmael on the bottom of my post, and read many times where I have persisted in the time of tribulation is at hand and the horseman have been loosed upon the earth. These things are true as the Lord has told me so.

Now that day of persecutions is at hand for God's people and is now drawing near as the Lord said they would take me this Year before the leaves fall off the trees.

According to  MY FAITH, I stand before the Father, the Lord God Almighty, Jehovah and His only Begotten Son, the Messiah, the King Jesus Christ, as they bear witness with me, through the Holy Spirit, the truth of their direct message I have given  to you. To the Alpha and the Omega, the First Born and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Amen


We are entering into the birth canal in tribulation under the King of Assyria and the King of Babylon for the final 4 yrs of Great tribulation, the Lord of Israel has shown me these things and you will see them come to pass in the short time ahead of us.


In accordance to my faith be it unto me accordingly
In Jesus Name,
Vickie

To say you are not a prophet isn't correct for...you are.  Our Father through Paul tells us....

• 1 Corinthians 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Some, as you, are given to see visions and others not.  I don't.  I don't dream dreams or see the future but He speaks to me through His Word.  He reveals.  The definition of a prophet is....

• Blue Letter Bible Lexicon...
  
  to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict
  
  a) to prophesy
  
  b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God
  
  c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation
  
  d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels
  
  1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
  
  e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office

So, to prophesy isn't only in telling of future events but is speaking things that only His Spirit can reveal...and that is done with the written word.  The Divine inspiration of His Word. 


I appreciate your posts and warnings.  Although we differ in that I believe the tribulation is a time of great deception and spiritual warfare instead of physical torture I do agree it is very close if not upon us.  I would love to hear more about your personal experiences on these topics. 


.

[me2lord]

Why do you not see them as prophets too?

Hello whirlwind...

There is such a fine line between a prophet, a seer and a covenant person God uses for his purpose of messages, which is what the verse refers to..

These all receive messages from the Lord in various  ways, yet they are different in  their service to God.  The Sholinite was did not hold an office or the lord would have mentioned it and it was he received prophecy which any covenanted person can receive prophecy if the Lord gives it through the holy spirit.   Vision come to the Seer, one who has revelations, he did not  hold an office as a prophet or God would have said so.

Being a prophet is an office that is given by the Lord man can not give it.   A Seer is who has insight to scriptures and revelations given to him by the Lord but is not recognized as the office of a prophet in the bible.  There are some verses I would have to find on this but, this is where I come from on what I have read.   The prophet is the only one that is an office given by God.   God directly assigns the office, not man. lol

This is the reason why I have said what I have presented.   I am open to verses that will show me different, until then this is where I will have to stand on a prophet is office  given by God and  assigned by God only and not man.

Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.
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There I have to disagree with you.  Where it is written, "I and the children are for signs and wonders" it means....us.  We are the signs and wonders.  His Spirit indwells us and we prophesy.  

• 1 Corinthians 12:28-29  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

That is today, not just in Paul's time.   I think where the disagreement comes about is in our understanding of  the meaning of prophesy.  It isn't just to tell of future events.  

 

 Okay, I am not one to force my views down others, only post them..lol  

I can see where you have this approach by what you have presented above, but I would have to disagree with you that this is not two-fold,  simply because Isaiah was given as signs to "Israel" signs that where NOT GOOD SIGNS but curses for the most part coming on them by God then and in the last days.

Isaiah 20 is a chapter of Isaiah told  to strip off clothes and sandals and go naked for three years (Isa 20:3) to Egypt, Cush and Assyria and to give warning to Israel those who go in the Last Days will not escape God when he comes.

Isa  7:17-25 Israel was prophesied to  by Isaiah that Jesus will come, referring to the Last Days and flies and bees will come and cover their water holes and settle in the steep ravines and crevices of the rocks and on that Day of the Lord Jesus will send the King of Assyria  to shave the heads and legs take off their breads and this day will soon come upon the Israel as we are entering into these times mentioned.  

God told Isaiah not to follow the ways of Israel in Isaiah 8:11   In Isaiah 9 speaks of the Lord against Israel. Isaiah 10 then the Lord has Isaiah speak against Assyria who punishes Israel that they will be punished by the Lord at his coming.

All of Isaiah is prophecy of what the Lord is coming to do, from sending a savior to their denying him to the Lord sending curses upon them prophesied by Isaiah to a time when they Lord will set up his kingdom here on earth and only a remnant of them will survive,  there is never a time that while Isaiah is alive in Israel that Isaiah is given as a good sing to them concerning their actions by the Lord.

If you have a verse when Isaiah is a good sign to Israel for their behavior in Isaiah time I would thank you for showing it to me.

From all I have read in Isaiah he was a sign for bad and not good on the  house of Israel and those who opposed her then and will oppose her in the Last Days.

Now to cover the subject of Prophesying

Numbers 11:25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again.

There is a major difference in your translation and in the King James.  Where you show "they did not do it again," the KJ is they "did not cease."  

• Numbers 11:25  And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

I find that strange.  That is a HUGE discrepency.  

 

 That is very good you spotted that, because things like this happen  in one translation to the next.  I have gone and checked the KJV, and your are right they say different from the  NKJV and the NIV, Eng version, and RSV and they all say these stopped prophesying.  
I would trust the  The NEW KING JAMES which says "

NKJV say:  25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again.
 The New King James Version. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1982, S. Nu 11:24-25

the Thomas Nelson says they did not prophesy again, so I would have to say they found the error in the Old King James and fixed it correctly in the NEW KING JAMES VERSION,  wouldn't you?   All the other translations I checked show it to be the same "they no longer prophesied".  

I do thank you Whirlwind because some times there are errors in one translation or another and it is good to have a variety of them available for reference checking if needed...and this time it was needed..lol    I will have to stand on they ceased from prophesying.  lol

I very much appreciate your bringing this up because it helps us all to check these things out when a translation differs from others.

To say you are not a prophet isn't correct for...you are.  Our Father through Paul tells us....

• 1 Corinthians 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Some, as you, are given to see visions and others not.  I don't.  I don't dream dreams or see the future but He speaks to me through His Word.  He reveals.  The definition of a prophet is....

• Blue Letter Bible Lexicon...
  
  to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict
  
  a) to prophesy
  
  b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God
  
  c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation
  
  d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels
  
  1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
  
  e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office

So, to prophesy isn't only in telling of future events but is speaking things that only His Spirit can reveal...and that is done with the written word.  The Divine inspiration of His Word.  


I appreciate your posts and warnings.  Although we differ in that I believe the tribulation is a time of great deception and spiritual warfare instead of physical torture I do agree it is very close if not upon us.  I would love to hear more about your personal experiences on these topics.  

Thanks Whirlwind, but I am only a believer with the gift of prophecy which Paul talks about, the dictionary I will disagree with.    A prophet comes from God and is given that office, I am just a believer like you, who our Lord chose to  send his message.  I have never in all my years received a message like this from the Lord,  I think prophets come forth at birth.   lol  

The message came from the Lord and what the Lord means by it is written for us in the bible.   The fear of tribulation is for those who have opposed the Lord who carry his name and have trampled the blood of the covenant, both Jew and Christian.   We who know the Lord and his goodness know he will be with us through this as he has told me these things and will be with me.  We do not have to fear these who bring tribulation, only respect them, as the Lord will deliver us from them in His time and we are to endure patiently...Rev 13:19-10

Where Jesus says in Matt 9:24 many will leave the faith when persecutions set in, has to do with their not knowing the Lord and they are not able to trust him to bring them through.   It is not gloom and doom for those who know the Lord, it is trouble for those who claim him and do not know him.

Jesus says in Rev 12:11 they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, they did not love their lives so much to shrink from death.

We are going into a time of the Beast power and he will oppose us as we have been told in Dan 7:25 and Rev 13:7, but the LORD says he will be with us and will answer our prayers and talk to us in these times in many places in the bible.   I believe the Lord and trust Him to guide me through this time He has foretold of in the bible.    

It is my sincere hope you will be encouraged know we will all be delivered form this in God's time and  to trust the Lord in these times that are fast approaching us. Know that the Lord is with you and me and all who love him and will not forsake us  who have been faithful to him...he is not that way.   When we are faced with adversity from a countryman  or held prisoner by our country, we know our Lord is with us and will deliver us in times of trouble.  

The apostles, disciples all of God's people, Abraham, Daniel, etc where delivered by God in their times of trouble, captivity and war, we also will be delivered in the times of trouble because our Lord is with us.  The message has been given to us that we are not taken off guard when it comes.

In Christ's love
Vickie

[whirlwind]

Why do you not see them as prophets too?

Hello whirlwind...

There is such a fine line between a prophet, a seer and a covenant person God uses for his purpose of messages, which is what the verse refers to..

These all receive messages from the Lord in various  ways, yet they are different in  their service to God.  The Sholinite was did not hold an office or the lord would have mentioned it and it was he received prophecy which any covenanted person can receive prophecy if the Lord gives it through the holy spirit.   Vision come to the Seer, one who has revelations, he did not  hold an office as a prophet or God would have said so.

Being a prophet is an office that is given by the Lord man can not give it.   A Seer is who has insight to scriptures and revelations given to him by the Lord but is not recognized as the office of a prophet in the bible.  There are some verses I would have to find on this but, this is where I come from on what I have read.   The prophet is the only one that is an office given by God.   God directly assigns the office, not man. lol

This is the reason why I have said what I have presented.   I am open to verses that will show me different, until then this is where I will have to stand on a prophet is office  given by God and  assigned by God only and not man.

I'm not certain what you mean by "holding an office???"  I do agree that insight is God given. 

Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.
---------------------------------------------------------------

There I have to disagree with you.  Where it is written, "I and the children are for signs and wonders" it means....us.  We are the signs and wonders.  His Spirit indwells us and we prophesy.  

• 1 Corinthians 12:28-29  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

That is today, not just in Paul's time.   I think where the disagreement comes about is in our understanding of  the meaning of prophesy.  It isn't just to tell of future events.  

 

 Okay, I am not one to force my views down others, only post them..lol  

I can see where you have this approach by what you have presented above, but I would have to disagree with you that this is not two-fold,  simply because Isaiah was given as signs to "Israel" signs that where NOT GOOD SIGNS but curses for the most part coming on them by God then and in the last days.

Isaiah 20 is a chapter of Isaiah told  to strip off clothes and sandals and go naked for three years (Isa 20:3) to Egypt, Cush and Assyria and to give warning to Israel those who go in the Last Days will not escape God when he comes.

Isa  7:17-25 Israel was prophesied to  by Isaiah that Jesus will come, referring to the Last Days and flies and bees will come and cover their water holes and settle in the steep ravines and crevices of the rocks and on that Day of the Lord Jesus will send the King of Assyria  to shave the heads and legs take off their breads and this day will soon come upon the Israel as we are entering into these times mentioned.  

God told Isaiah not to follow the ways of Israel in Isaiah 8:11   In Isaiah 9 speaks of the Lord against Israel. Isaiah 10 then the Lord has Isaiah speak against Assyria who punishes Israel that they will be punished by the Lord at his coming.

All of Isaiah is prophecy of what the Lord is coming to do, from sending a savior to their denying him to the Lord sending curses upon them prophesied by Isaiah to a time when they Lord will set up his kingdom here on earth and only a remnant of them will survive,  there is never a time that while Isaiah is alive in Israel that Isaiah is given as a good sing to them concerning their actions by the Lord.

If you have a verse when Isaiah is a good sign to Israel for their behavior in Isaiah time I would thank you for showing it to me.

From all I have read in Isaiah he was a sign for bad and not good on the  house of Israel and those who opposed her then and will oppose her in the Last Days.

Not long ago I posted a thread on this subject....I'll repost it on this forum.  It is Let THEM Be For Signs.  It goes into detail about why I see us as His signs.

Concerning Isaiah, he did what you do....he warned as you warn.  As was he, you are a sign to others.  God speaks through you and today's prophets as He spoke through His prophets of long ago.  It is God given for His prophets are chosen in the last days.....

• Matthew 20:16  So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Many are called to follow Him and they do but of those a few are chosen for specific purposes.  They are His first fruits (the first [fruits] at the last [days]).  They are chosen to hear and see His Word with understanding and take that Word to all that will hear.  His prophets and apostles were reserved until the end and to them He gives the "latter rain," which is deeper understanding.  They in turn teach, prophesy (speak with Divine revelation) to increase His harvest....

• Jeremiah 5:24  Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: He reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
  
  Hosea 6:3  Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: His going forth is prepared as the morning; and He shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
  
  Joel 2:23  Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Now to cover the subject of Prophesying

Numbers 11:25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again.

There is a major difference in your translation and in the King James.  Where you show "they did not do it again," the KJ is they "did not cease."  

• Numbers 11:25  And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

I find that strange.  That is a HUGE discrepency.  

 

 That is very good you spotted that, because things like this happen  in one translation to the next.  I have gone and checked the KJV, and your are right they say different from the  NKJV and the NIV, Eng version, and RSV and they all say these stopped prophesying.  
I would trust the  The NEW KING JAMES which says "

NKJV say:  25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again.
 The New King James Version. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1982, S. Nu 11:24-25

the Thomas Nelson says they did not prophesy again, so I would have to say they found the error in the Old King James and fixed it correctly in the NEW KING JAMES VERSION,  wouldn't you?   All the other translations I checked show it to be the same "they no longer prophesied".  

I do thank you Whirlwind because some times there are errors in one translation or another and it is good to have a variety of them available for reference checking if needed...and this time it was needed..lol    I will have to stand on they ceased from prophesying.  lol

I very much appreciate your bringing this up because it helps us all to check these things out when a translation differs from others.

I quoted [Numbers 11:25] from the on-line Bible Gateway, so I didn't refer to the notes on the verse in my Companion Bible...and often regret not doing so.  This morning I did as I should have done to see why the discrepency was there.  Regarding how it is written in the KJV, "the seventy elders:  and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease." E.W. Bullinger wrote...."Did not cease," in Hebrew it is "did not add" meaning "did not add any more or again after that day." 

I'm not sure how to understand that.  Is it that they never again prophesied or were not given new things, anything else added to what they were to say?  Bullinger gives a couple of examples on the meaning behind the phrase, one of which is....

• Deuteronomy 5:22  These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a  great voice:  and He added no more.  And He wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

To me, it isn't that the gift of prophecy was taken from the seventy (for He tells us "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." [Rom.11:29]) and that they never again prophesied but meant that no more was added to their prophecy.  I take that to mean that His prophets today have been given what is written and that is what they are given to understand....nothing new, for He said...."I have foretold you all things" [Mark 13:23]. 

Anyway...that's something to consider in all this.  So much to understand in that one little phrase "did not cease" or "did not add." 

To say you are not a prophet isn't correct for...you are.  Our Father through Paul tells us....

• 1 Corinthians 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Some, as you, are given to see visions and others not.  I don't.  I don't dream dreams or see the future but He speaks to me through His Word.  He reveals.  The definition of a prophet is....

• Blue Letter Bible Lexicon...
  
  to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict
  
  a) to prophesy
  
  b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God
  
  c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation
  
  d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels
  
  1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
  
  e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office

So, to prophesy isn't only in telling of future events but is speaking things that only His Spirit can reveal...and that is done with the written word.  The Divine inspiration of His Word.  


I appreciate your posts and warnings.  Although we differ in that I believe the tribulation is a time of great deception and spiritual warfare instead of physical torture I do agree it is very close if not upon us.  I would love to hear more about your personal experiences on these topics.  

Thanks Whirlwind, but I am only a believer with the gift of prophecy which Paul talks about, the dictionary I will disagree with.    A prophet comes from God and is given that office, I am just a believer like you, who our Lord chose to  send his message.  I have never in all my years received a message like this from the Lord,  I think prophets come forth at birth.   lol  

The message came from the Lord and what the Lord means by it is written for us in the bible.   The fear of tribulation is for those who have opposed the Lord who carry his name and have trampled the blood of the covenant, both Jew and Christian.   We who know the Lord and his goodness know he will be with us through this as he has told me these things and will be with me.  We do not have to fear these who bring tribulation, only respect them, as the Lord will deliver us from them in His time and we are to endure patiently...Rev 13:19-10

Where Jesus says in Matt 9:24 many will leave the faith when persecutions set in, has to do with their not knowing the Lord and they are not able to trust him to bring them through.   It is not gloom and doom for those who know the Lord, it is trouble for those who claim him and do not know him.

Jesus says in Rev 12:11 they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, they did not love their lives so much to shrink from death.

We are going into a time of the Beast power and he will oppose us as we have been told in Dan 7:25 and Rev 13:7, but the LORD says he will be with us and will answer our prayers and talk to us in these times in many places in the bible.   I believe the Lord and trust Him to guide me through this time He has foretold of in the bible.    

It is my sincere hope you will be encouraged know we will all be delivered form this in God's time and  to trust the Lord in these times that are fast approaching us. Know that the Lord is with you and me and all who love him and will not forsake us  who have been faithful to him...he is not that way.   When we are faced with adversity from a countryman  or held prisoner by our country, we know our Lord is with us and will deliver us in times of trouble.  

The apostles, disciples all of God's people, Abraham, Daniel, etc where delivered by God in their times of trouble, captivity and war, we also will be delivered in the times of trouble because our Lord is with us.  The message has been given to us that we are not taken off guard when it comes.

In Christ's love
Vickie

I agree Vickie....well said! 

[me2lord]

Whirlwind it is always a pleasure to discuss verses with you and even in our differences you show the love of Christ in you and validates you as a disciple of Christ..lol   

The message the Lord has sent is real and it will come to pass very soon, I look forward to seeing you in the kingdom of God and spending eternal life with you and others for all eternity...no more death or darkness will dwell upon the earth and the mystery of God will be revealed to all of us at the sound of the 7th trumpet....Allelujah!   

In Christ's lov e
Vickie

[TurnFromEvilAndLive]

Hello sisters... greetings!

I see much I agree with both of you ladies. 

Vickie, you believe there is a distinction between merely prophesying and the office
of "prophet", and I agree. However, I also agree with WW that the office still
exists today, for those whom the Lord calls to it (these are listed as WW pointed out,
apostles, prophets, teachers, evangelists etc). This "order" for the church has not
changed, all of these are needed for the body of Christ but these offices have been
abused by many and there are many who have appropriated the postions unto themselves
when in fact, the Lord never called them to it.

I believe that prophesying is a very misunderstood gifting from the Lord, not to mention
that there are many gainsayers using the name of the Lord saying "thus and thus" in His
name for filthy lucre' sake! Because of the evilness of our times, I believe there is a faithful
remnant called/chosen of God but they are not trumpeting their calling, nor do they need to
because it's the Lord who testifies according to fruits or lack thereof.

The "penalty" of the law was nailed to the tree... under the penalty of the law, "one strike
you're out" is no longer the motto concerning prophesying. There are sincere folks learning
and growing in understanding prophecy from the Lord and it is altogether another thing for
a person who is growing in the prophetic compared to the prophets of old who stood before
KINGS and prophesied! One false move there (from any prophet of old) and an entire nation
was subject to RUIN!

I'm not touching on every thought I have concerning this topic as I'm running out of time but
Vickie, I say this with the utmost respect!... have you considered that the Lord speaks
symbolically? I'm referring to the prophecy you are sharing about going into captivity this year.
The reason why I mention this is because being "taken" or going into "captivity" could signify
various things, not necessarily being martyred (but not discluding martyrdom either!). There's
another reason why I bring this up and that is what the Lord has shown my husband and I
concerning what's going on in the Gulf (oil spill). The Lord showed us this before it took place,
but we did not understand until it happened. Many times the Lord will show us something in
advance but the understanding is not there until the event takes place. It can be very hard
knowing if our understanding is correct or not. Consider the prophets of old, EVEN TODAY we
are still trying to figure out what the Lord meant through the prophecy! They were no different!
Paul mentioned them praying and asking the Lord who these prophecies pertained to, and they
were told that they were for us. So many view prophecy as a drive thru mentality but this is
so far from the truth. The disciples were confounded so many times by the words of the Lord
and had to rely upon Him for INTERPRETATION. Interpretation is the KEY to understanding
prophecy, for no prophecy was ever by the unction of man, but men being moved and inspired
by God's Spirit gave utterance and it is that SAME SPIRIT who INTERPRETS. We can pray
in various tongues, but if the understanding is not with those tongues, then they are like a
disorganized symphony with no discernible music being heard. Yes, the instruments are playing
well, but we can't make out the tune! It's the same with prophecy. We are told in the word
to "lean not to our own understanding, but in all our ways acknowledge Him and He will keep
our path straight" (my paraphrase). We need to seek Him and rely upon Him for understanding
and interpretation. Sometimes interpretation comes quickly, sometimes NOT.

(Myrant!, lol.... back to you Vickie)..... my husband and I have seen various things concering
the Gulf and He has shown us the economy being taken CAPTIVE. Various states are on the
brink even now concerning this oil disaster. Please pray about this dear and do consider what
I'm saying... the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets... I do not say that lightly
nor do I consider myself above you but we have been gifted to hear from the Lord too and
this is something you may want to take into consideration. If I remember rightly, you do live
in Florida? I was shown a tsunami in the gulf region with business men standing onshore and
they were bound for judgment. I believe these men represent various regions/states/cities etc
and they are being taken away.

There's more we were shown but it would require much more time than I have.

Also, I'd like to say this before I jump off (it's thundering here, lol), our lives are not our own
and I do believe some are called to martyrdom according to the Lord's will and His will alone.
We should be willing to walk in whatever calling God places us in, even to death.

God bless you all, Kim

[me2lord]

Hello sister Kim!! 

Of course you don't offend me when you have a different view or some thoughts on what I have said. Symbolizm does come with some things from God. 

I wished it were symbols, believe me   I had gone to the store yesterday and when I came out they were down from my car waiting for me and drove over to where I was at my car where I was ready to unload my groceries.  They had been waiting for me to come out.  We spoke about 30 minutes and I testified to them and gave them scriptures where the Lord said he would wipe their warriors out when he comes...We had some interesting conversation, me mostly talking.  He spoke about the Imam coming up from the Dead.  I told him it would be King Neb and he asked me where did I see that in our bible so I gave him the verses.   It was quite interesting to say the least. 

I gave them many scriptures and at the end the man driving said he would see me in captivity.  I know he will.  What amazes me is that they can not take me until the Lord is ready and he is with me as he shows me this continuously.   I trust the Lord, I am just so ignorant in many things and the Lord's grace I am very thankful for.

Because they approach me periodically about 5 times now I know they are not symbols but reality of what is coming.   They are just as the Lord's word speaks of them.   lol

Love you sister and you never offend me you're always sweet and very polite...a godly trait..lol

In Christ's love