What or who is Israel?

[Adullam]

Gen. 35:9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.

 10And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

 11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

From the very beginning, God intended for Israel to be both a visible nation AND a congregation of people from the nations....In Hebrew this reads as...

goy (a nation) ou-kehal goyim (and a congregation of nations or a church of Gentiles)

Kehal can also be translated as "church" (congregation)...goyim can also translated as Gentiles. So Israel is a visible nation AND a church of Gentiles (nations). Of course Israel is also a goy (nation).

[Adullam]

.....and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Israel are they who reign with God. Israel shall rule with Christ in the next age. Israel are kings. Jesus is the King of kings! Jesus is king over Israel. Israel shall rule over the nations with Christ.

[Adullam]

Let us look at how God chose the development of His plan in Israel. Here are a few passages concerning Ephraim, the son of Joseph, the son of Israel.

Gen. 48:17And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.

 18And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

 19And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

 20And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

"a multitude of nations" actually in the Hebrew this reads melo hagoyim or...a fulness of the Gentiles. The verb malé means "to fill."

Compare that with...

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  

Here is "the fulness of the Gentiles" again! the melo hagoyim!

All Israel shall be saved! This means that the two aspects or houses of Israel are become one once again and this is through Christ.

[Adullam]

So then the Gentile church of Christ is Ephraim Israel, and a part of the Israel of God. We are co-inheritors together with faithful Judah.

Ezekiel 37:15  The word of Yahweh came again to me, saying,

37:16  You, son of man, take one stick, and write on it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write on it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

37:17  and join them for you one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.

37:18  When the children of your people shall speak to you, saying, Will you not show us what you mean by these?

37:19  tell them, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them with it, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in my hand.

37:20  The sticks whereon you write shall be in your hand before their eyes.

37:21  Say to them, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, where they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

37:22  and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all;

37:23  neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling-places, in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

37:24  My servant David shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my ordinances, and observe my statutes, and do them.

37:25  They shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob my servant, in which your fathers lived; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, forever: and David my servant shall be their prince for ever.

37:26  Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore.

37:27  My tent also shall be with them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

37:28  The nations shall know that I am Yahweh who sanctifies Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them forevermore.

[Adullam]

John 10:16I have other sheep that don't belong to this fold. I must lead these also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock and one shepherd.

[whirlwind]

.....and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Israel are they who reign with God. Israel shall rule with Christ in the next age. Israel are kings. Jesus is the King of kings! Jesus is king over Israel. Israel shall rule over the nations with Christ.

Hi Adullam...good to see you again.  


Israel, as you stated, is both Christians and Jews.  The house of Israel and the house of Judah.  The two sticks! 


I see spiritual Israel in divisions...not all being kings but all being His holy nation.  

• Revelation 20:5-6  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In Israel there is Jerusalem and mount Zion.  Israel represents all believers, His nation.  Jerusalem is His holy city, the elect and then...there is the temple mount...mount Zion, the very elect, the saints, the man child.  

This morning I saw the following and it pertains to this....

• Proverbs 2:21-22 For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.  But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

 


The upright...righteous, good people but not the saints, shall dwell there.  They are not of the first resurrection and are still liable to die at the end of the millennium.  The perfect, the saints, are of the first resurrection (second death has no power over them) and they "shall remain."  They are the priests and teach the upright.  The wicked are separated but not killed until the end of the millennium.  But, the transgressors are rooted out....the tares are pulled up.  

[Adullam]

.....and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Israel are they who reign with God. Israel shall rule with Christ in the next age. Israel are kings. Jesus is the King of kings! Jesus is king over Israel. Israel shall rule over the nations with Christ.

Hi Adullam...good to see you again.  


Israel, as you stated, is both Christians and Jews.  The house of Israel and the house of Judah.  The two sticks! 


I see spiritual Israel in divisions...not all being kings but all being His holy nation.  

• Revelation 20:5-6  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In Israel there is Jerusalem and mount Zion.  Israel represents all believers, His nation.  Jerusalem is His holy city, the elect and then...there is the temple mount...mount Zion, the very elect, the saints, the man child.  

This morning I saw the following and it pertains to this....

• Proverbs 2:21-22 For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.  But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

 


The upright...righteous, good people but not the saints, shall dwell there.  They are not of the first resurrection and are still liable to die at the end of the millennium.  The perfect, the saints, are of the first resurrection (second death has no power over them) and they "shall remain."  They are the priests and teach the upright.  The wicked are separated but not killed until the end of the millennium.  But, the transgressors are rooted out....the tares are pulled up.  

 

It seems we are on the same page...look! we ARE on the same page! Good to see you again as well! 

[me2lord]

Let us look at how God chose the development of His plan in Israel. Here are a few passages concerning Ephraim, the son of Joseph, the son of Israel.

Gen. 48:17And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.

 18And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

 19And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

 20And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

"a multitude of nations" actually in the Hebrew this reads melo hagoyim or...a fulness of the Gentiles. The verb malé means "to fill."

Compare that with...

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  

Here is "the fulness of the Gentiles" again! the melo hagoyim!

All Israel shall be saved! This means that the two aspects or houses of Israel are become one once again and this is through Christ.

thank you thank you thank you...you inspired me to look up the verses in the N.T where the same Greek word "Gentile /Nations" is used and I am liking it better when the word "NATION(S)"  is used...instead of the translator's choice of Gentile... very interesting...indeed..


Gentiles
163                             
     
G1484: ἔθνος / ethnos  (denoted by red/blue words below in the following verses)

 Enhanced Strong's Lexicon



“For nation will rise up against    nation , and kingdom against kingdom; there will be …
Mark 13:10 …gospel must first be preached to all the    nations . 
Luke 2:32 …A Light of revelation to the    Gentiles , And the glory of Your people Israel.” 
Luke 7:5 for he loves our    nation  and it was he who built us …
Luke 12:30 “For all these things the    nations of the world eagerly seek; but your …
Luke 18:32 …He will be handed over to the    Gentiles , and will be mocked and mistreated and …
Luke 21:10 …Then He continued by saying to them, “   Nation  will rise against nation and kingdom against …
 …by saying to them, “Nation will rise against    nation and kingdom against kingdom, 
Luke 21:24 …and will be led captive into all the    nations ; and Jerusalem will be trampled …
 …will be trampled under foot by the    Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles …
 …the Gentiles until the times of the    Gentiles  are fulfilled.


In Christ's love

[Adullam]

Look at this verse from John....there is a mystery here.

"Therefore Jesus no longer continued to walk publicly among the Jews, but went away from there to the country near the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim; and there He stayed with the disciples." John 11:54

This describes the church momentum shifting to the Gentiles of Ephraim. This is a spiritual passage that speaks much more than a physical location. Do you see this?

[me2lord]

Yes, I see what you are saying.  Love to see your love for God and the mysteries which are revealed to you from the Holy Spirit. lol

Soon the mysteries of God will be made known to us in fullness.  At the sound of the 7 th trumpet...soon to be heard upon the earth here..lol

Rev 10:7  but in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet the Mystery of God will be accomplished just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
 

In Christ's love