Homosexuality has not been understood by the Majority of Christians or Leaders

[me2lord]

This subject is a very difficult one to address because what Paul wrote to guide us has been miss interpreted by some churches, and not understanding what God speaks about homosexuality in the world and that in the church concerning salvation and the command to his people to love they neighbor as thyself.

I Cor 5:9 I have written you in my letter "NOT TO ASSOCIATE" with 'SEXUALLY IMMORAL PEOPLE-----NOT AT ALL MEANING THE PEOPLE of THIS "WORLD"

To think we have churches who can't read the words of the LORD on who to associate with and who not to associate with ACCORDING TO THE VERSES.

I Cor 5:9-11 is the directions for all believers to follow.

If there is any kind of sexual immorality by a member of the body of Christ, they are to be put away from the body, by the members not associating with them in any manner just as I Cor 9:11 says:

I Cor 9:11 Now I am writing to you that you "MUST NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ANYONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER" and is sexually immoral or greedy or a slander. With such a man do not even eat.


If anyone is homosexual or and living in any kind of sexual immorality, with in the Church they are to be disassociated with by all the brethren. God says this in verse 11 through Paul.

I Cor 9:10 says this is NOT AT ALL MEANING THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. We are to associate with them, because how else can they receive the gospel to turn away, and come to God?

We are told to turn away from sexual immorality because why? does anyone really know?

I Cor 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and God's spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him: for God's temple is sacred, and YOU ARE THAT TEMPLE.

The Living God comes and dwells in the body of the believer who has accepted the blood of Jesus to be cleansed from all sin. If sexual immorality of any kind is continued the Living God who came to dwell in the body will destroy you just as I Cor 3:17 says.

The day of Judgment is coming and those whether homosexual or heterosexual destroy God's temple by fornication, adultery, lasciviousness, all of these violate the human body which becomes the temple of God when one accepts the blood for remission of their sins.

These are the Lord's laws not man's. If God's laws are violated repentance is needed and thank the Lord he is patient with his people. But these can not remain a deliberate sin (Heb 10:26) because then we are trampling the Son of God under foot. (Heb 10:29)

Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

The bible verses have instructed us to not be judging those outside the church with their many sins of sexual immorality of homosexuality, heterosexuality, any kind of sexuality, because we were of them until we received Jesus and came out of the world. The message of hope needs to reach these in the world that they be covered by the remission of sins and make their body holy because when they accept the Christ, the living God comes and dwells in them.

I sincerely hope this command from the Lord given to us in the verses is received by those who know to do these things and have given honor to the Lord with their body as they have become the temple of the Living God. For in God we live and move and have our being, for the living God resides in you and me who have come become the temple of the living God. amen.

We are to spread the gospel message of Salvation to those in the world, not condemn them because we ourselves were called out from among them and should now be living a godly life that we can testify to the world and offer them the same hope we have received. Get rid of the brother who does these things that if handed over to Satan he may repent and glorify God with his body.

In Christ's love

[tsth]

Dear Sister,

Just remember that it is not that I have a problem sharing the gospel with homosexuals or loving them...BUT, the issue of a society glorifying homosexuality is totally different.

I think you might also see it a little differently, IF you are in the ministry, and begin to realize that we are not far from living in a nation where we can no longer preach certain portions of the Bible, because it will be considered a "hate" crime and you will be taken to jail for doing so.

It's a little different for preachers in that there may come a day when they are specifically asked about what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, they may end up being thrown in jail for sharing this portion of the gospel.

There is a vast difference between sharing the gospel and loving people, and being made to celebrate something that you know God considers an abomination.


In His Love,
Suzanne

[Dragonslayer]

I think both of you are correct... And Suzanne I whole heartedly understand what you are saying. I relate to my sons, the confusion of secular thought on this subject is not anything that they need exposure to, and it is my right and my wife's alone to choose that exposure. But let's also face facts, christendom has also done some to make them suspicious or hostile to us.

George

[tsth]

I relate to my sons, the confusion of secular thought on this subject is not anything that they need exposure to, and it is my right and my wife's alone to choose that exposure. But let's also face facts, christendom has also done some to make them suspicious or hostile to us.

I'm not sure I am understanding what you were conveying above?  Could you clarify a little bit more?
I'd like to discuss this further...if you could.  (as, make "who" hostile...your sons or the gay community, and I'm not getting the connection with regard to your sons?)

Thanks.

In His Love,
Suzanne

[SEVEN THUNDERS]

Also, on another front… there is a “Strange Fire” I have witnessed emerging in the “Church” where homosexuality is embraced under the delusion being taught and being a skewing of the Gospel of Christ, that being, “God made you just the way you are.”  These strange Gay-friendly churches advocate a “half truth” where the fact we are born into the world in a broken, degenerated and separated state from God is avoided and Christ’s Redemptive Deed upon the Cross of Calvary is discounted to exclude Christ's Sacrifice to heal the homosexual and prevent one from working out their Salvation in fear and trembling, but rather to just REMAIN in their miserable un-reconciled fallen state and condition of homosexuality, sin.  This is the preaching of another gospel and another Jesus.  It’s truly strange, they will tell you… “May Jesus bless you”… and “Praise the Lord!”… and “May Christ be with you”.  But you know in your heart it is NOT the same Christ Jesus as ours, and they are all LOST SOULS, despite “thinking” they are saved by Christ, but they are not.

I was approached at my local Smart & Final Store by a friendly older woman who gave me a business card to her church and she invited me to attend.  I was delighted and said I’d check it out.  She extended to me blessings in Christ.  Later that day I checked out the website of the church and it was a Gay church, though they do not say they are.  I could tell by reading their Statement of Faith.  It turned out the woman was a Lesbian, her pastor, the assistant pastor and deacon are all Gay homosexuals.  I probed through their picture gallery of different functions like a Christmas party and Easter banquet and got a major clue when I saw at the parties flamboyant men dancing with men and butch women dancing with women.  !

Here’s the site, it’s just about 6 blocks from me tucked away in an area that I never go through:

Christ Chapel of Long Beach:   http://www.christchapellongbeach.org/Welcome.html

The founder was a drag queen.

I just can't imagine the heavy price the leaders and pastor will have to pay for misleading these people to the Gates of Hell.

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[tsth]

That is so shocking to me, ....  I wonder why this is the sexual sin that makes the forefront with regard to deceptions in the church?  I mean why has homosexuality ALWAYS been the defining factor of a nation about to fall?  And obviously this is why God refers to it as an abomination...as it seems to be clearly the last stage of rebellion.

In His Love,
Suzanne

[SEVEN THUNDERS]

Homosexuality is “sexual brokenness” and is a “blatant” abomination, but not the only one.  It is an abomination because it defies the 1st Commandment: “Thou shall worship the Lord thy God and have no other gods before thee…”  The homosexual worships the “self” turned in onto the self, hence “same sex” adoration.  Also, there are demons involved that engage mutually in the homosexual acts where the homosexual’s body unknowingly becomes a “temple” to OTHER gods, sphincter spirits, phallic spirits, etc. who set up camp in their temples to receive their god, the phallus (Baal the Phallic God).

But to be fair, this is not exclusive to homosexuals.  God showed me that ALL men are born emasculated and ALL women are born defeminized before they come to Christ and become True Man and True Woman, arightly reconciled back to the Father, for ALL fall short of the Glory of God.  He showed me there is a “spectrum” that I call the “Male-Female Spectrum”.  The demonstratively emasculated Gay homosexual and defeminized Lesbian are at one end of the Spectrum WITHOUT Christ.  They are turned in on the Self with physical self-adulation and worship, attempting to fill the empty deficit of their unaffirmed self and skewed sexual identity wrongly by seeking the same sex.  At the antipodal opposite side of the Spectrum is the heterosexual man and heterosexual woman WITHOUT Christ; here the male is embodied in the false perfection image of man as god, machismo and the Rambo-mentality, and the female is embodied in the false perfection of woman as goddess, the Hollywood-esque Blonde Bimbo and sex-kitten mentality.  Both worship each other as god and goddess.  This state and condition is also sexual brokenness where each attempts to find the father or mother they never experientially had, arightly, so they seek to fill this void through each other; and it is technically emasculation and defeminization and is NOT True Man and True Woman.

God showed me it is in the CENTER of the Spectrum where True Man and True Woman are located, being One in Christ.  Here is located the very embodiment of “human” rooted in the attributes of humility, humbleness, nonhaughty, nonassertive and nonaggressive.  True Man and True Woman in Christ are dead to the Self and transfixed upon Christ (Christocentric) and upon the world and others OUTSIDE the self in a healthy way where it is NOT self-seeking.  (Note that the “love” sought at the emasculated and defeminized ends of the Spectrum is “self-seeking love”.)

At the very core of all this sexual distortion is Misanthropy, not merely the hatred and distrust of man, but technically, the hatred and distrust of Mankind, being inclusive of BOTH genders, male and female, and consequently inclusive of Misogyny, the hatred and distrust of woman.  And all this is relayed in the account of the of Man in the Garden of Eden and in Lilith’s Dreaded Misdeed.  I also concluded that the account of Oedipus and the Sphinx and the “Riddle of the Sphinx” (a parallel to the myths of Lilith, the First Eve (Woman]) are connected in unraveling that there actually exists a hidden satanic GENOCIDAL AGENDA to completely eradicate the Race of Man in which skewing one’s sexuality is merely one of many demonic devices to achieve this while debilitating procreation towards human extinction.       

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[tsth]

unraveling that there actually exists a hidden satanic GENOCIDAL AGENDA to completely eradicate the Race of Man in which skewing one’s sexuality is merely one of many demonic devices to achieve this while debilitating procreation towards human extinction.       

I definitely get that sense of aggression as a whole from the movement as a body, that does have that spirit of wanting to terminate anything that signifies the traditional biblical family.  There are times that my family and I have gone somewhere where I knew that the person picked up on the fact that we were a traditional close family, and I could "feel" resentment from them.  It is a strange feeling...if that makes sense.


In His Love,
Suzanne

[SEVEN THUNDERS]

I definitely get that sense of aggression as a whole from the movement as a body, that does have that spirit of wanting to terminate anything that signifies the traditional biblical family.  There are times that my family and I have gone somewhere where I knew that the person picked up on the fact that we were a traditional close family, and I could "feel" resentment from them.  It is a strange feeling...if that makes sense.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Yes, indeed, Suzanne; and that hatred is Satan's hatred funneled through these people.  Satan hates God's creation of Mankind as we were originally intended, and also our coming Consummation as the epitome of His Royalty and Satan desires to prevent this, for we in Christ rule over this measley and lower "prince" due to our higher position in Christ to be the Kings and Lords under which the "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" is our Head.  This hatred you "felt" is rooted in a demonic jealousy from impregnated evil spirits (within human hosts) that see something they cannot have, for they had forfeited it at the Angelic .

[me2lord]

Dear Sister,

Just remember that it is not that I have a problem sharing the gospel with homosexuals or loving them...BUT, the issue of a society glorifying homosexuality is totally different.

 I know you don't Suzanne,  if there was anyone who I feel would be right in acting properly to an Homosexual it would be you...lol

I think you might also see it a little differently, IF you are in the ministry, and begin to realize that we are not far from living in a nation where we can no longer preach certain portions of the Bible, because it will be considered a "hate" crime and you will be taken to jail for doing so.

  I have many people I speak with on the streets and in various places bringing the gospel and I see daily the growing numbers of gays coming into the communities around me, and on TV and such and it is a sign of the times we are living in.  The gospel can not be given to someone who does not want it and many of these are not looking for the truth, but rather an acceptance by the religious ones who have denied  this lifestyle as acceptable before God and these are the one that are coming out of the woodwork.   We don't have to condemn them because the spirit of God in us condemns their sins without saying a word to them....I have watched this take place while I was in the midst of them and saw what the Lord's spirit does to them.   lol  

It's a little different for preachers in that there may come a day when they are specifically asked about what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, they may end up being thrown in jail for sharing this portion of the gospel.

There is a vast difference between sharing the gospel and loving people, and being made to celebrate something that you know God considers an abomination.

This is true what you are saying and I am in agreement with you.   Though I think you may have miss understood what I was trying to point out.  

We are "NOT" to go and celebrate with them and do that which the Baptist church has recently done and let them in and let them be married which is against the very Law of God and his words written in the bible.   There are more denomination who have  joined up with the Episcopalians and some Methodist I believe are all coming together to welcome this sin into their fellowship...this is what I am talking about as being wrong, more so than the government leaders who are over us.  

What this is coming down to is there is developing a split between the Christians  on this issue on those who will accept gays and their lifestyle as okay, allowing  them to be members of the church, this I will stand against and not enter that church.
 
Then those like me and you and others who oppose this teaching will be subjected to persecutions in some form or another.   It is happening now between Christians and I am very familiar with it.

The true believers are going to be subjected to more of these things as brother will be against brother as we progress into these last days.

In Christ's love
vickie

[me2lord]

I think both of you are correct... And Suzanne I whole heartedly understand what you are saying. I relate to my sons, the confusion of secular thought on this subject is not anything that they need exposure to, and it is my right and my wife's alone to choose that exposure. But let's also face facts, christendom has also done some to make them suspicious or hostile to us.

George

Hello George good to see you here.     We are going into times that are like those Jesus was faced with.   He brought truth of God's  way to the people and they did not want to hear what he had to say which was correct.   This is one area where we are going to be tested and it is real.  By our faith we stand just as Jesus did and we need to be ready to stand for what we believe.    Get your whole armor of God on and keep it on because we are heading into the times told to us. lol

In Christ's love
Vickie

[me2lord]

I was approached at my local Smart & Final Store by a friendly older woman who gave me a business card to her church and she invited me to attend.  I was delighted and said I’d check it out.  She extended to me blessings in Christ.  Later that day I checked out the website of the church and it was a Gay church, though they do not say they are.  I could tell by reading their Statement of Faith.  It turned out the woman was a Lesbian, her pastor, the assistant pastor and deacon are all Gay homosexuals.  I probed through their picture gallery of different functions like a Christmas party and Easter banquet and got a major clue when I saw at the parties flamboyant men dancing with men and butch women dancing with women.  !

Here’s the site, it’s just about 6 blocks from me tucked away in an area that I never go through:

Christ Chapel of Long Beach:   http://www.christchapellongbeach.org/Welcome.html

The founder was a drag queen.

I just can't imagine the heavy price the leaders and pastor will have to pay for misleading these people to the Gates of Hell.

-7

I am so happy you came to fellowship with us here ....

What a terrible delusion these are under who are claiming Christ and leadership for others if they are still be sexually immoral.   If they have repented and all have come clean...which I hope, then they would be okay, right?   

I can only shake my head because this is so very scary to see what is happening to the many people professing Christ...and the way they are still living their life.....in sexual immorality with no regard for their body, the temple of God.   I feel sick to my stomach.  lol

In Christ's love

[me2lord]

I definitely get that sense of aggression as a whole from the movement as a body, that does have that spirit of wanting to terminate anything that signifies the traditional biblical family.  There are times that my family and I have gone somewhere where I knew that the person picked up on the fact that we were a traditional close family, and I could "feel" resentment from them.  It is a strange feeling...if that makes sense.

eek!  you too?   yes, i have had similar feelings,  I feel different when  I am exposed to certain people in various places.   Those Jesus was faced with who opposed him, they knew he was not of them, and it will be the same with us and is now and going stronger...we are in times that are quickly changing on us and we must draw closer to our Lord for his power will lead us through this until He comes and brings us into eternal life,  we must stay the course and not grow weak.   love you bunches in Christ.

there is true excitement in all this, the realization that Jesus Christ is with us and will appear to destroy these who are doing this.  He will take us and give us eternal life and we will be with our Lord forever and ever...amen..

Vickie

[Dragonslayer]

I really love your take on this subject matter... Well worded well thought out and an outstanding treatise in my opinion. A teachable and deep Christian take. I had written something yesterday on this string and apparently it didn't get posted, maybe my fault.

I have many gay friends. Some of them outstanding people, remarkably funny, and other noteworthy attributes. Some of them so close to coming into the light.  My aunt whom is childless and in her mid 80's now had taken a gay couple with my passed away uncle, as almost children. I have never met these two men, but I hear of their mutual kindness and warmth to my aunt out in Scottsdale, and they are amazing men. The truest of true friends. I have likewise known many gays that have good qualities. But unfortunately rarely of good friendship values.

It is as says and that divine insight of the spectrum of sexuality, very well does exist as you say . In my younger years, I was a film and drama student at NYU. My sexual ties were always the ken and Barbie kind the machismo self serving kind. Perfectly described. When I was like that I had oodles of gay hangers on (I've always been straight). But when I had learned enough about sex and love , and frankly my tastes had changed ( although my wife is gorgeous but has a good heart as well) it was part of the end of all those other friendships. There is a stuntedness to homosexuals often a fixation on things and appearances, that betrays somesort of recessed maturity. I often wonder whether this is because they may have not developed out of the androgenous stage of development... although hormones play apart in children, they are somewhat androgenous till secondary sex ual traits. Hence more cuddley with the opposite sex parent as puberty ensues (generally) and more cuddly with both parents before.

But I think the greater point is to discern the individual before you as sex less first and human, and in goodwill (if it exists ) try to be honest . There is nothing to hate or mistrust, unless something is demonstrated. Many good people live in sin. And the common theme in this string, strikes me as a human tolerance in you all, a desire to be candid, and where I see people closing off is the political aspect of this,and the clerical aspect of this, and the family (gay as parent) aspect of this. Those are all good beefs. But the sooner we realize that those beefs , do not constitute hatred the better really. Homosexuals are our neighbors, friends, and family. To prostelitize them is an invitation, not a censure. It is through love and kindness , that traction will be made against the demons within, and although I see a lot of resistance in homosexuals to the realization of their sin, I see also nothing but insecurity in themselves in these demands for social parity. Otherwise the breakthrough of common law would have been enough, and not the demands of farcical two brides or two grooms.

George

[tsth]

Dear George,

Something that we have to understand with regard to this issue, (and highly ignored), is what we are doing with regard to our children, and their understanding of this issue.  I think as a whole, as a society, we have mislead our children into thinking that it is somehow "fashionable/modern" to "embrace" the homosexual lifestyle.  And in fact, we have a whole generation of kids who are VERY confused with regard to sexual practices and even gender identity.  I wholeheartedly believe that this is due to the Christian viewpoint of "tolerance", and that we have misguided our kids in understanding homosexuality, because we have not been "biblically" honest and frank with them.  We have left out the "godly" TRUTH from the Word of God with regard to MANY sexual issues, but this one in particular is vital, because children are the next society to come up.  And because our generation lost the biblical truths about this, now our kids are even more confused than we were.  I can't tell you  how many teens myspace pages, my kids have pointed out to me where the kids are presenting themselves as "bi-sexual" or not conveying a preference upfront but by their appearance they are obviously VERY gender-confused.

I have teens, and they have biblical instruction with regard to homosexuality.  They understand and talk about these issues in detail much like we have done here.  They are very aware of how this relates to the biblical passages and they also are aware of how to handle this issue.  Our kids need to know from parents how to process this issue, because Lord knows it is a strange one.  Even the smallest of kids can be very confused by this and we're not saying anything and they are slowly being conditioned to accept this type of lifestyle.  We've got to do something different .  For them.


In HIs Love,
Suzanne